It looks like this was a replacement for Crusader's Zeal - it's no longer present in beta.

Some math on the Glyph of Immediate Truth (Equip: Increases the instant damage done by Seal of Truth by 20%, but decreases the damage done by Censure by 50%.):


It should also be noted that the Glyph of Inquisition does not affect the Critical Hit chance, only the Holy Damage modifier.

Clemency works like other "Charge" abilities, where each charge triggers the spell's cooldown, and 1 charge is refreshed after 1 spell cooldown. This could potentially allow you to have more than 1 Hand of the same type active at the same time (i.e. 1 Hand of Sacrifice on the MT, 1 hand of Sacrifice on the Healer, at the same time)

"Charge" mechanic explained in detail:

Ronark, certainly you are correct and TV does stack Censure, though Divine Storm does not. I'm not sure if its considered a melee attack anyway, but it never stacked it before so I guess its not that big of a deal.
Also, thanks for the math on the Seal of Immediate Truth glyph. I figured it would be a dps drop, but I was using it while I leveled because things didnt last long enough to get a full stack so I thought it might help kill quest mobs quicker. Surely won't be using it in raids though.

I do have a question(for anyone, not just Ronark) concerning our new Inq and Execution Sentence. If Inquisition is applied/drops off how does that effect the dmg of Execution Sentence? Is the crit calculated at the time of impact or the time of use? I'm not entirely sure how Execution Sentence works, like a dot that is just ticking and updates as such or something else entirely.

Thx guys.

Any reason my exorcisms are doing significantly less damage than yours, naked, 5 levels higher? Did they nerf exorcism at one point? I'm getting 8258-9093, averaging 8740(relatively close to the tooltip damage)

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Using the listed co-efficients, my crusader strikes appear to be getting an EXACT bonus of 600 damage at lvl 90, this is despite the tooltip reading 1123.
((((618/14) * 3.3 ) + 15) * 160%) + 600
This is on a level 90 tauren, naked with a 10-20 weapon damage 1h(15 on average)

There was a blue post from ghostcrawler about Inquisition scaling last night:

So yes, healing for Light's Hammer scales with Inquisition - for now.

Exorcism is still one of our hardest hitting abilities, although it doesn't proc our mastery talent. This favors Hammer of Wrath - which does - especially when used in conjunction with Sanctified Wrath. With mastery, crusader strike hits are about even with exorcism's. But I would use the latter above CS to spend all of my Art of War procs.

Is this about right or should Exo be used above HoW as the entry post suggests it for a proper single target priority? I could back it up with some recount parses later.

At least in live SoT doesn't normalize, it uses true weapon speed. Also you did the AP->SP for Censure backwards. SP = AP/2. This gives us a 6.85% AP coefficient (per Wowhead's SP value), not 27.4% AP. The *5 modifier is actually the 5 stack value, not the 1 stack value. Wowhead is a bit confusing regarding this.

Recrunch of the numbers for those interested.
By the second tick of Censure, the Glyph is already doing less damage. If it survives more than 6 seconds, don't use the Glyph, even when leveling.

I think it depends on the precise values and some 'fiddly bits' with simulation. Since Exo has the longer CD and potential proc resets it could be advantageous to prioritize it so it doesn't get delayed (as often). Alternately HoW could hit hard enough with a short enough CD that delaying Exo for it is the correct answer. I'll tentatively lean towards Exo based on personal intuition until modeling and more finalized numbers can tell.

As for Light's Hammer vs. Holy Prism:
HP is a 20 sec CD for about 13k that will use your target (or could be macroed easily).
LH is a 1 min CD for about 25k where you'll have to click the ground to enact.
Both values are before coefficients, but 13k every 20 is 39k/min vs 25k/min. Not having to direct an extra click is also good.

If we can afford the 8% mana (extremely likely), then HP appears the clear winner, unless coefficients swing the decision.

13.7 = X/2, X = 27.4. I tried without the *5, but i got results closer to the true value with the *5 included to match the tooltip. I used a 0 haste value for SoT/Censure since Censure also ticks faster with haste.

Aylen, I posted that in the Mega thread for GC, but also asked here for quicker results and to see if it was a tooltip bug or a true value.

Ok thanks for the clarification, writing it out that way makes more since. As per my reply on the official forums, it would be more beneficial to use Seal of Justice if it does scale correctly for gimmick fights. 400-500 more damage per swing isn't much "burst" at all.

I think that, like the Inquisition glyph, this one was also not intended to be a DPS increase for raiding. It's there for flavor and to give players options. It would be nice if it had an actual use though - for example, if the calculated break point was 15 seconds or so, such that it was more useful for leveling. A flavor glyph that's a DPS loss in pretty much all circumstances is sort of lackluster. The Inquisition glyph can be a DPS increase for players who are sloppy with Inq uptime, but since Censure stacks automatically the SoT glyph doesn't fill that sort of niche.

Im wondering about the third talent in the lvl 90 tier, execution sentence. Are there any numbers for it (did i miss a post?) to give a ball park answer like the other two options? Honestly, that seems to be the only tier that excites me with options. I can see different fights where the talents could be used more efficiently (It seems that LH would be more useful for add phases, like yor'sahj black adds, although wtih a 1min cd it wouldnt be up for all of them).

Execution Sentence is the only talent in that tier that doenst have more than one purpose. A holy pally wont pick it up since it will only do dmg. If it is comparable dmg to the other two choices (given the mechanics of the fight) then why choose it when we can possibly do the same dmg and heal as well? If they make it do more DPS to compensate for lack of utility, then it becomes the obvious choice. Which is opposite of Blizz is wanting right now.

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Nythan, there is only competition between two of the talents. Holy Prism and Light's Hammer are both AOE effects - they directly compete as to which would be superior in AOE scenarios. Execution Sentence is single target (and Aylen's already covered its healing potential). Apples and oranges.

If there are sufficient targets for total damage to be superior, we'll use an AOE. Otherwise the single-target should be better on boss fights. And as Ret that tends to be all we care about. Not really much to discuss about ES.

Holy has some more reasonable decisions - free single target heal vs mana cost 20 sec AOE heal vs freebie 1 min AOE heal. Like most things healing related it's an individual decision with no real wrong answer. After all, you can math that talent A produces more total healing, but if it's pure overhealing it's useless - picking what's right for your playstyle and healing role is important.

I feel for our Prot brothers. If I were a tank I'd feel slighted if my ultimate talent could only DPS or heal, rather than mitigate/protect/defend. Yes any of them (especially ES) could be used as a self-healing CD, which can increase survivability, but thematically I'd think a tank would rather avoid/reduce the damage rather than take it and restore the loss.