I tend to agree with you. Holy would use this to solo content tho....

just to play devil's advocate:
I think the glyph COULD find a niche, depending on the fight. With exorcism no longer able to be hard cast, anytime the boss is out of melee range we are in trouble. But if we can judge/cast exo (does Holy Wrath grant HP? I cant seem to recall) but assuming we can get even a couple of HP, then using WoG on the boss would be good.

Granted, this only works for certain gimmicky fights and the boss would have be out of reach long enough that using WoG is a gain over holding the HP for a TV when he lands again.

It seems to be that most of the glyphs are useless. I just hope thats true for most classes, and ret's are getting left out for no reason

Glyph of IT will still prove to be a DPS loss but it will have a better window for the number of seconds for Cenusre to overcome it. Glyph of Harsh words, as others have stated, could find use in gimmick fights or in brief periods where we have low DPS time on target (Morchok Ooze phase).

Updated OP as much as I could. Please PM necessary corrections if you find a section is out of date.

Ascetic Crusader would require a true gimmick fight. Remember without autoattack you can't proc AoW. This means Exo every 15 (minus Haste) and Judge every 6 (minus Haste). The Morchok example you'd perhaps get 3 HP generated to permit a single WoG without a loss of TV, maybe generate 4 due to Haste for a tiny net gain. It just requires an excessively long time off target with absolutely nothing else worth hitting. Most fights that pull you off boss have adds that need to die.

More interesting to me is SS no longer has a mana cost. Unless we become GCD locked through extreme Haste (unlikely), should be able to keep up a SS on ourselves (or the MT if your raid wants it) for a not unreasonable value. 30k AP = 15k SP + ~6K means being able to absorb 21k every 6 seconds. That should at least take the edge off pulse AOE effects or similar incidental or infrequent raid damage situations (like random single-target shadow bolts to pull from previous bosses).

The new DivPurp may pull closer to HA or SW, but I think the on-demand will remain stronger than the randomness.

Redid Immediate Truth comparison. Still less than 6 seconds for no-glyph to win. At 3 seconds it won by 150 total damage.

More updates to the OP.

Since we have some CS and HotR numbers, I did a comparison for 'how many targets before you swap'.


Targets = 3.97

Since Mastery procs per-target on HotR, it will scale from Mastery faster than CS.

Bottom line - looks like swap to HotR at 4 targets, sufficient Mastery could reduce this to 3. Unsure if entry-level Mastery would be sufficient - it's remotely possible we would start at X <= 3.

Comparing this with DS, you could start DS at 3 (120% * 3 = 360% which is greater than TV's 260%, you also get more Mastery procs). So you could DS at 3, but hold HotR until 4. Hopefully we could gain enough Mastery to make 3 the breakpoint for both.

Rule of thumb of single-target-until-4-targets should be fine for majority of playerbase.

Correction on DS: It deals its 120% weapon damage as Holy damage, meaning that it scales with Inquisition, causes it's HoL component to double dip, and it ignores armor.

At 2 targets, TV would deal 260% + Mastery, DS would deal 156% weapon damage + Mastery to each target. If the targets have 30% armor, TV is dealing 182% weapon damage to 1 target and DS is dealing 312% total damage between both targets.

Ronark makes a great point. Looks like you could swap to DS at 2 targets for a gain (which just sounds bizarre - always possible they lower DS's % again), while HotR will take 4 (possibly 3 with sufficient Mastery).

SoT and SoR both proc for Holy damage, so we have apples and apples.

SoT is 14% Weapon + Censure.
SoR is 5% Weapon.

Based on the Immediate Truth calcs, I can easily say that Censure is going to be greater than 1% Weapon damage. So we can also easily say SoT is going to be better than SoR vs 3 targets (5% * 3 = 15%).

Calcs:Results:
Under 3 seconds SoR wins at 3+ targets.
Over 3 seconds it takes 4 targets for SoR to win, but the margin is small.

GCD for seal swaps would likely be net loss for less than 5 or 6 targets. Transitions with dead time (boss unhittable and adds not yet spawned/in range) would be perfect times to burn GCD on seal swaps.

A much stronger weapon without barely any extra AP skews slightly towards SoR (since Censure doesn't benefit from weapon damage), but it's unlikely to every be significant enough to skew results to fewer targets for SoT, so bottom line should be correct for all levels of gearing.

Bottom Line with some guesstimate included: Stick with SoT unless you have 5+ targets that will live for 30ish seconds, chop off 5 seconds for each target above 5 (so 25 seconds for 6 targets, etc).

Standard caveat - numbers crunched at present values of abilities. Things could always change tomorrow.

Latest datamined changes from MMO-C:

-Repentance has a 15sec CD. I'm guessing they're planning to remove the cast time: polymorph on a 15sec CD seems very lacklustre compared to BoG & FoJ.
-Crusader Strike gets +19% damage and +19% additional damage.
-Sacred Shield absorb buffed, but no bonus FoL crit chance any more.
-Sword of the Light buffs our healing, now specifies how much mana we get back (6% / 2 secs). GbtL gets the same mana regen treatment too.

WRT Sacred Shield, at 30k AP (and 15k SP) we'll gain +1 absorption compared to the old model. With 40k AP (and 20k SP) we'll get +1951 absorption.

I'm also guessing the CS buff looks like it'll stop us ever swapping to HotR at 3 targets, given CS benefits from Mastery and has just gotten a 19% buff.

SotL buff will be best seen in PvP I expect; don't know if it'll affect damage-dealing WoGs though (although if it does it might make them more attractive during air phases and the like).

Gah, damnit. Well, probably reverses what I just said WRT 3 or 4 targets for HotR :P .

More updates to the OP and a re-run of the CS vs HotR.

Targets = 3.115

Since Mastery procs per-target on HotR, it will scale from Mastery faster than CS.

Bottom line - looks like swap to HotR at 3 targets as entry level Mastery should push us past that 0.115 fraction. Extremely unlikely that Mastery would drop this to 2 targets within the X-pac.

As previously pointed out by Ronark, due to DS being Holy damage (no armour mitigation) you could swap to DS at 2 targets. (Who is guessing that a nerf to DS damage was made days ago and is flowing through the regular delays before it reaches PRT?)

Rule of thumb of single-target-until-3-targets should be fine for majority of playerbase.

Shadow Priests have played the same way this xpac with Mind Sear on 2 targets, I don't see how this is any different. Yet, I digress.

On Repentance: In it's current form with the CD, Repent is more akin to Hex but a shorter CD since it is a talent.

This would be such a boon. Probably a not-insignificant DPS boost (2-3% maybe?) as well.