The GCD difference between Exo and HoW is only 0.06 seconds at 10% haste and drops from there.

Anyone else having trouble with light's hammer? We are 2 healing Feng and were having minor issues P2 going 3 draw flames, nullify > a few CD's > nullify 3rd again. The healing is very nice as over the course of the fight it's around 200 ticks for somewhere around 2mil which is very nice for the healers in key situations. My problem is that I was not noticing any damage coming from it on meter. Afterwards I went to dummy and was still showing nothing. I hope this is a stupid question and I'm not broken.

Light's Hammers damage is listed as damage from "Arcing Light". It's definitely there for Ret and Protection but for Holy it seems not.

Furthermore your hammer counts as a pet. So look for the drop down arrow in World of Logs or adjust your floating combat text to display pet damage.

And the nerfbat strikes:

T14 4pc is now 65 second reduction down from 85 second.

That is probably the intent of the change, to make it so 4pc makes HA+AW+trinket+fun of being a badass for 20s instead of either making you sit on AW waiting for HA, take SW and wait for trinket, or having your CD's get misaligned and it not feeling like a CD, but more rotation.

Got updated sim results. At T14H level with the nerfed set bonus (4k dps loss patchwerk) I got these results.

SW (110312) > HA (109344) > DP (108574)

SimC main won't be updated for everyone until that build data is added.

While it's entirely possible they decide to Hotfix this at some point, currently it's being listed as a 5.1 change. This means you may still have the 85 second reduction for this tier. Rather than a 'make-other-talents-attractive' change, I think it's more a 'whoops-fixing-something-way-powerful-so-you-want-your-next-tier-bonus'.

Regardless it brings the 'sigh, you couldn't figure this out on paper or during months of playtesting' feeling.

There was a blue post before MoP dropped saying developers did not want Retribution CD's to all line up with the idea of giving us more "creativity" with our cooldowns.

This change completely disregards that and puts us back to where we were in Cata, CD management wise. It will also put the Sanctified Wrath conversation to an end as a viable talent option due to the reduced AV CD we were looking at with our current 4p bonus.

I'll wait for the change to go live but I believe we will all benefit from Holy Avenger + Avenging Wrath lining up.

Ironically both our 2p and 4p bonuses are "perks" we already had in cata with the now extinct prime glyph for Templar's Verdict and our Avenging Wrath being at a 2 min CD without the need for any bonus.

If blizzard really wanted to change it up for Retritbution they should've made the T14 4p bonus reduce the CD for Guardian of Ancient Kings to put it at 3 minutes 50 secs allowing us to build stacks of GoaK before we get our CD's back at the 4 min mark.

HoW > J > HoW > TV is a self-sustaining rotation. Never use CS during SW, J will always be off cooldown and is a significantly harder hitting ability. Replace J with Exo when Exo procs or is off CD.

Regarding 0.01~0.03s worth of latency/delayed ability usage, HoW hits twice as hard as your best filler, I can't see passing it up on any GCD that it's available, as it hits nearly as hard as TV and doesn't burn your HP.

This rotation should stay static throughout the expansion, as your GCD will scale with haste. The only thing that'll change is how many HoW + TV you can fit inside a given SW period.

If you are stacking GoAK+SW, it may be beneficial to store some HP until your GoAK is fully stacked, but use before any trinket/potion buff wears off.

Another question I have is if it is better to save HP while exiting SW state (eliminating an empty GCD or two of downtime) or to try and dump it into TV's to benefit from the damage buff.

Maybe I misunderstood something in the OP but I seem to be the only person unsure. (I haven't gotten the chance to play WoW Since just before MoP came out, but I'm about to start again, and wanted to check here for what has changed.) The single target priority mentions the use of ES and the multi-target priority mentions the LH. Which makes perfect sense, but you only get to have one, am I wrong? Given that LH > ES with 1.5~1.7 targets I would think LH is going to be more total damage done through the duration of a raid, so does it fit into the single target priority at all or would it not be cast at all for single target fights?

Also I'm a bit confused on what is being said about gems. "if 2 has > 1 str" Last time I checked it wasn't (back in Cata) and I don't understand the math behind how it might be now. So t14H gear, at exp and hit cap, we still do 1 str >2 has or not? Under what circumstances IS 2 has > 1 str?

I believe you misunderstand, but even with the change to 4 piece bonus, SW is still an excellent talent. Balhale states Simcraft shows reduced 4 piece still puts SW ahead of HA. Until the nerf occurs, SW pulls ahead by a greater margin. ... once 4 piece is attainable.

Trueblade - your confusion directly stems from MoP related changes. Altering a talent requires a [Tome of the Clear Mind] and about 3 seconds. The opportunity cost of a few silver is effectively zero. For those who forget to carry them, Gnimo (Wrath Mammoths) carries them. It's unusual to have to go further than the exit of a raid to acquire one. Rare and Perfect-cut quality gems have 160 value for primary stats (Str/Agi/Int/Sta) and 320 value for secondary stats (Hit/Exp/Crit, etc). So from a single gem you can get 160 Str, 320 Haste, or 80 Str and 160 Haste. If 320 Haste is better than 160 Str (and colour is immaterial), you choose the Haste gem.