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Old 09/25/12, 3:07 PM   #16
Exemplar
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Human Paladin
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Tobrexa View Post
It's linear, not exponential. example: 4 DS hits, 4 SoR hits. I thought DS would not proc any seal.
Then SoR takes 6+ targets. Not counting loss incurred by GCD to swap seals. DS was resolved to only proc one seal on use an Xpac or two ago. I misunderstood your comment in the other thread and took it to mean this fix had been broken in MoP. OP tweaked back to original SoR commentary.

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Old 09/26/12, 6:00 AM   #17
Elidra
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Dalaran
If haste gems are superior to strength in raid gear and beyond, shouldn't the BS sockets be filled with pure haste gems instead of strength?

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Old 09/26/12, 7:50 AM   #18
Fordragon
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Stormrage (EU)
Btw something that was bothering me Balhale,is SimC accounting the 10% crit from Inq?

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Old 09/26/12, 8:42 AM   #19
d07.RiV
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Undead Priest
 
Illidan
So it would appear that as long as you can reforge out of hit/exp into haste, it could be benefitial to gem full exp/hit/haste over str? It would be a bit risky because 2 haste is only slightly better than 1 str, and you can't always reforge perfectly so there's always risk of losing more stats than gaining. Also, losing a lot of str could cause haste value to drop below 50%.

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Old 09/26/12, 11:27 AM   #20
Zephur
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Bloodhoof
Originally Posted by Fordragon View Post
Btw something that was bothering me Balhale,is SimC accounting the 10% crit from Inq?
Yes, it is. The raidbuffed stats snapshot does not show 10% from Inquisition because it takes place before combat begins. The same thing happened with Eye of Unmaking; the strength doesn't show up in the snapshot, because the buff is only up during combat.

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Old 09/26/12, 4:20 PM   #21
Balhale
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Paladin
 
Bladefist
Originally Posted by d07.RiV View Post
So it would appear that as long as you can reforge out of hit/exp into haste, it could be benefitial to gem full exp/hit/haste over str? It would be a bit risky because 2 haste is only slightly better than 1 str, and you can't always reforge perfectly so there's always risk of losing more stats than gaining. Also, losing a lot of str could cause haste value to drop below 50%.
As long as you can hit/exp cap from gear alone you should because then you are trading the weaker haste/crit/mastery for stronger hit/exp/str (can't get str from anything but gems). Besides, at the T14H level you can't reforge out enough hit to do that anyway.

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Old 09/29/12, 12:09 AM   #22
poloqq
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Burning Legion (EU)
a brief comment about the priorities not changing under SW: Imo they do slightly change, as it should prove beneficial to prioritize harder-hitting judgment over cs as there should be no dps loss incurred by postponing a CS which you would normally get outside SW usage. It is the case as it's impossible to have empty GCDs under the said CD. That being said, I am personally wondering which priority would be better under SW : 5TV > HoW > Exo > CS > Judg > 3TV or maybe straight 3TV > HoW > Exo > Judg > CS

The resoning behind trying to put 3TV at the top is getting more hard-hitting attacks while under long SW as it seems to me it may not be a gain to always build to 5 hp while under SW

The rotations in practice should look as follows, assuming opening 3hp inq then cds :

normal 5tv prio : HoW - Exo - HoW - CS - HoW - TV - HoW - CS...
judge over cs 5tv : HoW - Exo - How - Judge - HoW - TV - HoW - Judge...
3tv prio : HoW - Exo - HoW - 3TV - HoW - CS - HoW - 3TV...

Moreover, I do think that nearing the end of SW may call for the return of the original priority as the additional damage of harder-hitting abilities may no longer outweigh postponed generators, especially CS shotly after SW ends

I have no idea where to fit ES into this, though (after 3hp inq before cds;first/second gcd of cds; some other place?)

I myself use the 3TV prio, but I do so only under gut instinct. I am not a theorycrafter myself, so I put forward this idea for testing for the greater minds of the community. I apologize if i overlooked somethings that makes this proposal void or if this has been tested earlier. Cheers

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Old 09/29/12, 12:52 AM   #23
Balhale
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Paladin
 
Bladefist
The only difference between 3 and 5 HP TVs under SancWrath is trading one Exo/CS/Judge for one TV if you start SancWrath with no holy power.

Is your Judgment hitting harder than your CS even including mastery?

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Old 09/29/12, 2:46 AM   #24
poloqq
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Burning Legion (EU)
nope, forgot judgment does not benefit from mastery -_-. The 3hp tv priority may produce more gain than 1 TV, however, depending, on procs as when you do not try to "cap" HP, you leave more room for fitting exo procs (as HP does not go over 3) whereas you would be forced to use 5hptv otherwise. consider such circumstances :

5hptv : how - exo - how - cs - how - (EXO PROC that cant be used immediately) TV - how - EXO PROC USED -
3hptv : how - exo - how - tv - how - (EXO PROC) - exo - how - tv - how - tv

as you see, striving to cap hp (which is ungrounded under SW as there never occurs a scenario in which you cannot use a filler and without such a scenario, going over 3 hp loses its benefits) pushed exo proc 2 gcds and created a (likely, especially under bloodlust) danger of an additional exo proc overriding the unused one.

What interests me is this : -
-is there any downside to this strategy? only scenario i can think of in which this could be a dps loss is when at the end of SW we are left with an empty gcd in which 3hp tv would be used under the normal priority
-where to fit ES in this?

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Old 09/29/12, 3:24 AM   #25
Balhale
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Paladin
 
Bladefist
ES should take the place of your first exo. I don't know that there is a specific downside to that plan.

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Old 09/29/12, 5:50 AM   #26
Gothmor
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Human Paladin
 
Blackrock (EU)
is there a downside of ES in the burst phase at the beginning, should I start the fight with ES or wait for the first burst after 10 secs with goak?

And when I play with HA, should I use ES directly before the burst macro or directly after and loose one cooldown 3 hp?

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Old 09/29/12, 9:06 AM   #27
Sha_
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Nemesis
Is it worth delaying ES a few seconds at the begging of the fight to put Inq up?

And if have Engineering put a macro with ES + Gloves isn't a good dps increase over all other professions?

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Old 09/29/12, 5:00 PM   #28
Balhale
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Tauren Paladin
 
Bladefist
Yes, delay ES for a few seconds at the beginning of the fight to get Inq + AW + GoAK up. If you have engineering use gloves to boost every ES.

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Old 09/29/12, 6:13 PM   #29
Ronark
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Hyjal
The macro would look like, in its basic form:

/use 10
/cast Execurion Sentence

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Old 09/29/12, 7:22 PM   #30
RebornTN
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by Gothmor View Post
is there a downside of ES in the burst phase at the beginning, should I start the fight with ES or wait for the first burst after 10 secs with goak?

And when I play with HA, should I use ES directly before the burst macro or directly after and loose one cooldown 3 hp?
I've been toying around with a Macro to cast AW + ES + Trinket or glove enchant if you have them (spam it to make sure ES goes off in the case you are mid gcd) and then activating HA right after since the duration is only 18 seconds you lose at most half a GCD though you do have to press 2 buttons instead of one. Seems to work very well, even with LH if you are ready to click where you need to put it.

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