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Daylight · 10/01/12, 3:37 AM

It's early in the morning so excuse me if I've missed something obvious.

What is going on with the itembudget for the JC'ing gems.

The rigid serpents eye have 480 hit and the bold serpents eye have 320 str.

It seems that only the jc'ing gems have this strange budget.

Exemplar · 10/01/12, 9:39 AM

Sounds like JC gems had the +50% secondary and never were upgraded to the +100% secondary. Sounds like JC should stick with Bold Serpent's Eyes in that case.

Tobrexa · 10/01/12, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

Sounds like JC gems had the +50% secondary and never were upgraded to the +100% secondary. Sounds like JC should stick with Bold Serpent's Eyes in that case.

Perhaps this is intended, as all the other professions' perks are primary stats, are they not?

mackaque · 10/01/12, 10:51 PM

Nope, BS you can get 2 * 320 secondary stats.

Tourism · 10/02/12, 2:21 AM

I was looking at some sims for trinkets. Does Simulationcraft 505-1 sim the procs of either [Coren's Cold Chromium Coaster] or [Ghost Iron Dragonling]. Looking at the data SimC is spitting out currently neither of the procs are accounted for.

Without any porcs counted for the Ghost Iron Dragonling is siming about 1.2k DPS about the other trinket. Just trying to figure out what my best bet for trinkets are for my first raid.

Balhale · 10/02/12, 3:57 AM

You want Lessons of the Darkmaster and Carbonic Carbuncle. Coren's is worse because it is only a 10% chance to proc from our roughly 25% crit chance. So no guarantee it goes off anywhere close to on ICD. Dragonling and Daelo's Final Words are both decent trinkets as well, just not quite as strong as the 463s.

Edit: The Dragonling proc is basically worthless. It misses alot on boss level mobs - only like 0.3% of my damage when I tested it.

Exemplar · 10/02/12, 8:39 AM

I think my rough math figured the Dragonling is about 200 DPS from its melee. The proc itself is not the reason to enjoy one.

I agree with Balhale. Dragonling is a great starter trinket until you can get the needed drops from dungeons - 600 hit and expertise (Haste, too) is nothing at which to sneeze. Then go for the Heroic trinkets for DPS purposes. Pick up a Coren's and hold it in your bag for iLevel purposes (faster/easier to reach LFR reqs). Grabbing any of the other Coren trinkets as greed and holding in your bag is also advantageous to game the iLvl requirement system, as long as you don't steal it from someone who needs it.

Oh, and I'm aware my spreadsheet doesn't have the starter PvP gear (I'm surprised no one has even commented on this in PM). Next release will have it. I filtered out PvP stats when I transcribed gear. However, the Contender gear is excellent beginning placeholders. The PvP stats appear to be zero budget, so you get the expected values of Secondary Stats. Not as good as Heroic dungeon gear, but excellent for propelling you into being able to LFG and better than many quest gear slots.

Finally - please take note of yesterday's hotfix. They removed the Honored rep requirements from Justice Point gear. You can now flat purchase (with sufficient points) the gear immediately, rather than ignoring it because you're better geared by the time you could gain sufficient rep. So please do double-check your JP vendors for raid starting gear.

anafielle · 10/02/12, 4:47 PM

Wouldn't the PVP gloves be pre-raid BIS with the +5% to CS? Dreadful Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets - Item - World of Warcraft

Exemplar · 10/02/12, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by anafielle

Wouldn't the PVP gloves be pre-raid BIS with the +5% to CS? Dreadful Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets - Item - World of Warcraft

Possibly, but not by a landslide. Compare those to[Dark Blaze Gauntlets] which are 1 iLevel lower.
74 more Str and 68 more secondary stats on the blue.

Also the PvP necessary to earn epic gloves is a non-negligible timesink. For those who have school or work, spending that time on reputations or Heroics to gear overall is probably the better option. Raid gear comes quickly enough for those who raid.

anafielle · 10/02/12, 5:04 PM

True fact, although I would have been able to convert JP into honor this evening.

However, it looks like they've quickly changed their minds; Bashiok just posted that Honor gear is coming down and JP gear is going up in ilvl:
Justice and Honor Gear Changes - MMO-Champion BlueTracker

Fierss · 10/02/12, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

Possibly, but not by a landslide. Compare those to[Dark Blaze Gauntlets] which are 1 iLevel lower.
74 more Str and 68 more secondary stats on the blue.

Also the PvP necessary to earn epic gloves is a non-negligible timesink. For those who have school or work, spending that time on reputations or Heroics to gear overall is probably the better option. Raid gear comes quickly enough for those who raid.

The PvP gloves have an extra socket. +80 str, +160 hit, +60 str bonus, giving them +86 str and +92 secondary stat, plus the bonus. After the JP/Honor gear hotfix, I have no clue if they will be better than the blue ones or not, but they are certainly better today, and are worth keeping an eye on.

Gormal · 10/03/12, 12:28 AM

[Malevolent Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets] are available today.

aylen86 · 10/03/12, 2:04 AM

Wrong information, pls delete.

Exemplar · 10/03/12, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gormal

[Malevolent Gladiator's Scaled Gauntlets] are available today.

Fierss, hadn't noticed the socket on the blue. It's possible post nerf the CS bonus at least pulls them even with 463 Heroic items. So they may still be an option.

If those epic Malevolent are available for Honor, then they clearly would win best pre-raid gloves by sheer iLevel even before baking in the 5% CS bonus. If they cost Conquest I wouldn't precisely call them pre-raid, as that level of PvP (beyond slow random BG slog, which is significant opportunity cost) is more an alternative path to raiding. They seem to beat LFR raid epics. Possibility of beating normal mode epics (unless tier gloves push you to a 2 or 4 piece bonus), based on the 5% CS.

Tobrexa · 10/03/12, 12:50 PM

Am I reading this wrong? Isn't the new bonus +10yards on judgement instead of the old +5% CS dmg?