Regarding PvP bonus, I will be spending time on PTR this weekend and will test this.

Regarding Repentance, Ghostcrawler confirmed this here.

Eternal Flame should not see any lost ticks as it works like a regular periodic effect. The issue with lost ticks only applies to Shaman totems (due to the totems "casting" their effects instead of ticking like regular periodics).

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(1) Please link to the theorycrafting you mention.

(2) I think it's already been stated that the Glyph of Illumination best early on when you are low on spirit (since leveling gear doesn't always provide you much spirit); as soon as as any significant amount of spirit is obtained, the glyph should be dropped, as shown by JoeEgo's spreadsheet.

(3) I will be spending time on the PTR this weekend and will confirm this.

1-2 holy power LoD/EF will proc Divine Purpose but acording to blue posts theres a lower chance of that happening. To confirm that someone would have to do a test of course where he or she gain and use arround 1000 holy power.

Here is a link to the blue post for reference (as recorded by MMO-Champion; the original thread no longer exists that I can see).

It shouldn't be nearly that many trials to discern an 8.3% proc chance from a 25% proc chance on a 1HP spender--something like 50 should easily suffice, would take a couple minutes.

I'm almost certain it has to cut down the % chance though. My first thought on reading the talent is that it would be broken if it didn't. Even as is it's +25% long-term HP generation* which is quite nice, but if it worked that way it would be +75% HP gen if you just spam 1-HP spenders, which is way too much.

*Actually a little more that since since the DP procs can proc at a 25% rate again, so it actually amounts to about 33% even before any pvp bonuses.

Haste breakpoints should be exact as long as they've been computed correctly; the only wonky ones are limited-time pets like Totems and Treants.

So ive played and raided with a fair few holy paladins in the past few months, in a 25 man environment, but sometimes, i see them doing some ridiculous healing with eternal flame, the only thing that i can think about, is that they eternal flame blanket as many people as they can, but surely this is a very inefficient way to heal, and completely killing what a holy paladin is used for, burst, not sustain, we have monks and druids for that.

Correct me if im wrong, but its been really bugging me, because on almost every boss fight, my eternal flame, isn't even in my top 3 heals, whereas its 1st by a long shot in some instances for some people.

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Yeah, this is totally statistically consistent with 8.3%, 16.7%, 25%, which is almost surely what it would be unless they want people to game it with 1-2 HP spells all the time.

I find a bit of irony in this post, as you tell somebody not to spout their arrogance while at the same time make a point to claim that you have the #1 healing parse for a boss with nothing to back it up (I'm not doubting you, as I have no reason to, only pointing out that this comes off as fairly arrogant). You then tell some random poster that if their guild would question PvP gear, they should leave - meanwhile you kicked a Holy Paladin for pulling slightly less awesome numbers on a boss.

There may not be a "great reason" for not attaining the 4pc PvP set, but there certainly are some valid reasons and at the end of the day it's not needed in the slightest to finish content successfully.

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On another topic, does anybody feel the T15 4pc is abysmally *boring*? It also seems like something that appears to be a lot more powerful on the surface than it actually is - looking forward to the math/testing of it to see if that holds true =)

I am getting the same feeling as well, I am looking into possibly keeping my T14 517 set over the T15 normal, Once I get the T15 Heroic I know it will outweigh it, but the ilvl difference by 5 isn't enough to justify a less powerful 4-set.

You can't exactly call it inefficient if they can sustain that style through all the fights and if that style is normally valid for Druids and Monks. Gearing 4pc PvP and focusing on EF maintenance just means, to me, that someone else is covering the tank(s) and other spike damage. That's not bad, that's not good, it's just how it is. And sometimes that's OK for a fight.

The real issue, as you touch on, is play style. If I wanted to heal like a Druid then I'd play one. As useful as EF can be, I do use it when appropriate for a particular fight even if I don't prefer it. I also believe this EF-maintenance play style is an aberration that will last only as long as the PvP pieces remain viable.

I could not care less about a ranking parse during progression. purgex completely missed my point about F&V and made no point with his comment regarding Tsulong. In other news, random DP procs remain random.

Apparently I may be wrong about how well a 25m raid can be covered with EF, but I'd be more interested in solid information on how many EFs can be maintained and how strong they usually are (1? 2? 3 Holy Power?). It would be very enlightening. But, like I said, if I wanted to play that way I'd go roll a Druid or Monk.

The thing is, why roll a druid or a monk when the paladin does it better? Yes it is overpowered, yes blizzard is changing the pvp 4 set but when paladins can do it better at the moment while providing insane tank healing that is just too strong to give up in my opinion.

One 3 HP EF tick is arround 9k healing on average and tick crits are arround 18k healing, if you have 8 of those up on average that is 40k healing done to the tank through beacon every 3 sec (asuming no crits at all).

What you also have to keep in mind is that EF is not our only spell, which means that you can cast all your other spells on the tank if needed. There is no reason for paladins not to do it.

I'll provide *a* reason. Why replace the permanent role of a druid/monk with a paladin that can only fill it *temporarily*?

As JoeEgo alluded to (or maybe just outright said, I'm not sure) the playstyle isn't fun or engaging. It just feels like a gimmick, which is fine, I'm certainly not going to knock people for using a very powerful playstyle if it fits in your raid comp and it's something your team wants/asks you to do, or that you have convinced them to let you do.

For me personally, I'm the only healer on our team of 8 healers who ENJOYS healing tanks, so why in the world would I do a ton of stuff I don't enjoy (PvP/raid healing) to completely change my role in our raids and make healing less enjoyable/engaging?