The Healadin Thread - Page 41

Quozzy · 02/29/08, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by ladenedge

The source is simple enough that I bet almost anyone could adjust the algorithm for their custom needs (like missing librams, etc.).

Yes you're right, I didn't think to check before posting

All I had to do was add in an extra if/else statement, now I have the addon using LoSR instead of the lurker libram.

bsmorgan · 02/29/08, 1:59 PM

Quozzy,

Can you post your changes? Thanks!

Quozzy · 02/29/08, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by bsmorgan

Quozzy,

Can you post your changes? Thanks!

Just go to the .lua file and find the HL logic code, replace these two lines:

self:Debug("Equipping", LoAT)
EquipItemByName(LoAT)

with

if (self:HasBoL(targ)) then
    self:Debug("Equipping", LoSR)
    EquipItemByName(LoSR)
else
    self:Debug("Equipping", LotL)
    EquipItemByName(LotL)
end

This is just for people that do not have the lurker libram.

Yenadar · 03/03/08, 11:55 AM

Coming to you all for help, and hopefully some answers/suggestions.

I am our guild's prot pally, (5/5 MH, 8/9 BT), and I generally pick up every piece of plate or mail healing gear that would otherwise get DEed, and I am building a decent enough of a stash that I can focus a bit more on various stats, but no mix I am using seems to make any impact.

When I am healing on boss fights (which is a bit more than half of them at the moment) I just spam my FoL, as using HL runs me completely out of mana in approximately 1 minute in a best-case scenario.

Since I don't have the kickbacks the rest of you have, I generally go for every bit of Mp5 on gear that I can, and +int (or +int/+healing) for where Mp5 isn't available, simply to try to be able to last long enough into the fight to keep it from becoming a 24-man fight. Kaz'rogal, as an extreme example, I seriously just run off to the side and sit there to avoid blowing people up. Even using no mana at all and chain chugging mana pots, bubbling a mark, I die every single fight from my own mark. It is so pathetic I always hope no one notices, but I know they do. (Fortunately, I enable them to get to the boss that it isn't commented on, but still). If I put on my SR gear, I resist more marks, but have such a low mana pool, that the end result is the normally the same, and I am still always the first (or only) person to die. I have no contribution to that fight, but really wish I could.

On other boss fights where I heal, they literally count me as 0.2 towards the total number of healers. ("We have 7.2 healers for this, that enough?") That is how bad my healing numbers are. My highest healing % compared with the full time healers ever, was our first Bloodboil kill, and I reached 36% of the healing of the 2nd to lowest, a druid.

Part of it could be a lack of skill, partly a lack of gear, a chunk of it is lack of spec, and I know that offspec I will never hit the healing benefit of a healing spec, but I still think there is something I am missing that would help me be more viable and useful in the fights that I am not tanking in.

For reference numbers, my healing set is +1450 healing, ~150mp5, 10k mana, ~14% crit.

Any suggestions?

Sparty · 03/03/08, 2:43 PM

Really, those numbers should be fine for an offspec healing set. I'm unsure of your healing setup on bosses but you should be able to take it easy as an offspec healer. I'm not sure if you run a Retribution paladin or how you run judgements but your contribution could be to keep one of them up, at least wisdom and flashing the tank when needed.

I would suggest putting some Shadow Resist on for Kaz to resist the marks, you should always be able to resist at least one. I wear the BT Neck, Cloak, Bracers, a Ring to Kaz and come out unscathed. With two mana pots and divine shield, you've negated about 3 marks. You can leave the others to your shadow resist gear, and if you do find yourself dipping lower, just melee the boss to keep wisdom up and your mana regenning. You'll take a stomp every now and then but that will be healed by your shaman and you will regain some additional mana from spiritual attunement.

On Bloodboil, I'm not sure how to help you since I don't know how you do the encounter. You could always volunteer to rotate yourself out for a specced healer if you arent tanking.

Zaran · 03/03/08, 3:23 PM

One additional thing you could consider doing if the raid has enough healers and really doesn't need you healing... If your guild is willing to help you farm an hour or 2 of MC you could get a Nightfall axe crafted. In the hands of a prot pally that does little to no personal DPS on a single target mob the proc can be a pretty decent raid DPS boost.

I've never raided as anything but holy so I can't really help ya with how to heal as prot spec. All I will say is any chance you can dump some crit and pick up some +heal or mp5 I'd go for it.

ohrion · 03/03/08, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by Yenadar

Kaz'rogal, as an extreme example, I seriously just run off to the side and sit there to avoid blowing people up.

We just downed Kaz for the first time last week and I'm not sure what your raid setup is like so take this with a grain of salt..our prot pally stacks SR gear (around 250ish) and keeps JoW up to give some more mana back to the DPSers.

Yenadar · 03/04/08, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. This one in particular is the most outstanding ideal I have heard... I'll start the Thorium Brotherhood grind tonight, and I am sure I can get people to help me out in MC for it.

Originally Posted by Zaran

One additional thing you could consider doing if the raid has enough healers and really doesn't need you healing... If your guild is willing to help you farm an hour or 2 of MC you could get a Nightfall axe crafted. In the hands of a prot pally that does little to no personal DPS on a single target mob the proc can be a pretty decent raid DPS boost.

rpalchau · 03/04/08, 11:45 AM

I was wondering if someone could point me to some information regarding which flasks/foods/oils might be most beneficial to a raiding Holy Pally. I tend to use Mighty Resto, but I have also seen some recommendations to use Supreme Power for the +heal. Also, for food buffs I tend to use the Sporefish over the Golden Fishsticks. And currently I use the Superior Mana Oil as my weapon buff. I apologize if this is covered, but there wasnt any link to a healing consumable discussion in the main post and none of the other posts jumped out at me as containing information regarding this.

vorda · 03/04/08, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by rpalchau

I was wondering if someone could point me to some information regarding which flasks/foods/oils might be most beneficial to a raiding Holy Pally. I tend to use Mighty Resto, but I have also seen some recommendations to use Supreme Power for the +heal. Also, for food buffs I tend to use the Sporefish over the Golden Fishsticks. And currently I use the Superior Mana Oil as my weapon buff. I apologize if this is covered, but there wasnt any link to a healing consumable discussion in the main post and none of the other posts jumped out at me as containing information regarding this.

Whoever recommended Supreme Power should have checked better. Supreme Power - Spells - World of Warcraft (the tooltip should have been obvious enough actually)

For the elixirs, adepts beats healing power in my opinion (though thinking about it, I'd rate them equal), mageblood as second one. I prefer golden fish sticks over sporefish unless the extra hp can come in handy. (I cant think of the last time I had mana issues when I was potting)

Not like there's any choice on weapon oils, the pre TBC one is extremely expensive.

For priests/druids alot changes in 2.4 (the intellect flask becomming the best one, etc), but for us, its the same old.

galzohar · 03/04/08, 12:18 PM

Based on my numers, basically the more regen you have (which is affected, from most to least significant, by having a shadow priest, other raid/party buffs and higher regen/crit on gear), the less you will want regen consumeables and more will you want +healing. That actually makes or breaks the difference between the different consumeables, however it seems in just about any realistic scenarion healing power is the winner. Adept's is only worthwhile if you're going oom with a shadow priest + shaman + pots on cooldown etc, otherwise it's mostly healing power with the rare fight where mighty resto is better. Especially assuming you use major mageblood as your guardian elixir (as there are no other real choices except for draneic wisdom if you really want to just push HPS to the max and ignore efficiency).

zixa · 03/04/08, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by rpalchau

I was wondering if someone could point me to some information regarding which flasks/foods/oils might be most beneficial to a raiding Holy Pally. I tend to use Mighty Resto, but I have also seen some recommendations to use Supreme Power for the +heal. Also, for food buffs I tend to use the Sporefish over the Golden Fishsticks. And currently I use the Superior Mana Oil as my weapon buff. I apologize if this is covered, but there wasnt any link to a healing consumable discussion in the main post and none of the other posts jumped out at me as containing information regarding this.

Mighty resto for wipe nights
Major mageblood + adepts for tank healing or 50 healing for raid healing
44 healing food
ZG oil-25 healing/12 mp5

galzohar · 03/04/08, 12:36 PM

If you're cheap to only use mighty resto on wipe nights might as well save that 50g and just use 75mp5 major mana potions... Or use nothing at all. When it comes to consumeables, really, the more you think about saving the more you realise you just don't want to use anything at all. So even if I wanted to be cheap I wouldn't use mighty resto (unless guild is swimming with marks of illidari...). But maximizing performance =/= being cheap.

And why would adept's elixir have any special place for tank healing?...

zixa · 03/04/08, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by galzohar

If you're cheap to only use mighty resto on wipe nights might as well save that 50g and just use 75mp5 major mana potions... Or use nothing at all. When it comes to consumeables, really, the more you think about saving the more you realise you just don't want to use anything at all. So even if I wanted to be cheap I wouldn't use mighty resto (unless guild is swimming with marks of illidari...). But maximizing performance =/= being cheap.

And why would adept's elixir have any special place for tank healing?...

Um who said its being cheap to use a flask instead of 2 elixirs? Depending on server economy flasks can be ~40g at least, and its trading off a bit of throughput for a bit more longevity which would be better for a new encounter Id presume for most people. And Id rather have a whole nother % to crit over 26 healing if Im tank healing.

skullpunch · 03/04/08, 12:56 PM

Great mod, ladenedge!

It's like you read my mind.