I see no reason to assume that it would not be split evenly between all targets in the same way as healing threat.

The testing done on the matter involved a single mob, with a paladin casting SoR a number of times and then seeing how much damage was required for the mob to be pulled off. That is the extent of testing done to my knowledge, so any further testing involving multiple mobs and/or Righteous Fury would hopefully be able to answer these unknowns.

I agree. The "outgearing 5-mans" issue is so easy for us to fix on our own that I don't know that Blizzard needs to change any abilities or gear mechanics to address it. If you're not taking enough damage to maintain an adequate flow of SA mana, you have the following options:

- Stop using CC if you were
- Pull more mobs
- Replace your mitigation pieces with pure threat pieces. Presently, this amounts to using caster items with heavy spell damage and no mitigation stats, although in WotLK it will likely be DPS plate as you say.
- Start casting AS or Holy Light to take a large amount of damage, as you can no longer dodge, block or parry.

The argument as to why this is a gameplay mechanics issue is always "But we shouldn't get worse as we get better gear" but I feel it's really just a matter of "As a tank, you will always need to gear appropriately for the content you are tanking." I would never sacrafice significant amounts of threat to be uncrushable for Hyjal trash, because that's simply not gearing appropriately for the content. Similarly, I don't insist on using extreme amounts of mitigation for heroics, as it just works so much better to swap in some caster gear.

I think you're reading a confrontational attitude into my posts that was not initially present, but regardless. I did provide some anecdotal tests at first, and asked if anyone had greater experience. But I'll do some more scientific trials here, sure.

Initial testing, using the first pull in hellfire ramparts heroic. Tests to see how much healing is required to pull a two pull off of my paladin (auto attack off, devotion aura and righteous fury only buffs) at various levels of Seal of Righteousness cast.

Heal spell of choice is lifebloom, I am never allowing it to bloom. The healer in question has the -20% subtlety talent, but does not have salvation.

Test #1: 2 mobs.
0 casts. Result: The first tic of lifebloom pulled aggro.
1 cast. Result: Roughly 2000 healing of lifebloom pulled aggro.
2 casts. Result: ~3000. It's quite possible these numbers are off by a tic or so due to the fact I'm using a hot and the human error of me checking healmeters when I see aggro swap.
10 casts. Result: 12000 healing to pull aggro.
30 casts. Result: 32000 healing to pull aggro.

Test #2: 1 mob.
10 casts. Result: 12000 healing.
30 casts. Result: 38000 healing. This is a bit of an anomaly, and my first thought is that I procced reckoning and redoubt a LOT on this test, and they might have some small innate threat of their own.

Seems to stack linearly, so just going to use the 10/30 cast methods to minimize human error.
Test #2: 3 mobs.
30 casts. Result: 31000 healing to pull aggro.

Test #3: 12 mobs (swapped to non heroic).
30 casts. Result: ~35000 healing to pull aggro.

Final test: 2 mobs, no righteous fury.
10 casts. Result: 5500 healing to pull aggro.

Conclusions: Threat is split the same as healing. It takes roughly 800 points of non threat reduced healing to equal one righteous fury'd Seal of Righteousness. Righteous Fury does work.

Relevance: Chain casting it will indeed outaggro casual healing on a fight like felmyst, as healers are unlikely to be doing the ~1100 hit points per second that is required to outaggro it with salvation/threat talents during the skeleton phase, particularly when coupled with power gains and reactive heals. It is not, however, a replacement for the actual threat of consecrate in any way.

One caveat of my testing process is that I was healing the paladin, so I did gain some mana back in the process.

I tend to think it would be easier to test this using damage instead of healing, as you won't run into the issue of SA aggro gain, nor of overhealing not producing any threat. And as it's very likely that Reckoning and Redoubt procs do indeed generate threat (perhaps even the same amount as a Seal gain?) it would seem the best results would be obtained with a 0/0/0 spec.

It's a fairly interesting subject, and one of those things I think we'll all been curious about. Thanks for taking the time to do additional testing.

Edited out an incorrect observation

I think the goal of these tests was specifically about tanking skellies in Sunwell, keeping them off healers, and determining if SoR threat splits. To that end, I would say the test fullfilled its objectives

Now, if we wanted to determine if chain-casting SoR or RF produces more threat (say, in a single target tanking situation), we should use damage to account for those various issues you brought up

Interesting, thanks for doing that. Couple of questions. Was the healing listed effective healing? I'm assuming so, which would lower the value by around 5.5% (Spiritual Attunement causes threat equal to 1/2 the mana you're returned - 11% of the damage taken), so around 750 effective healing. I'm not sure that's going to out-aggro a healer - our shamans are throwing 2500 chain heals out there (or >1000k heal/sec), and that's not including any crits they get. Still certainly better than nothing though.

The redoubt/reckoning thing is an interesting question. I'll try to test later if I have a chance, although I might not have time tonight. I can't account for redoubt, although I don't have reckoning. Maybe I'll get a holy friend to test.

Yeah, that's the effective healing according to Recount.

Additionally Tilted, my healer was already out of melee range of the monsters for these tests. At least, after the first 0 seal insta aggro test that resulted in the elite mobs I was using two shotting him.

Could you elaborate? As far as I was aware Shield of Righteousness already was 200% of your block value as Holy damage in the previous build.

Formerly it was 230% of your block value, now it's down to 200%.

Are you certain that wasn't caused by one of your talents modifying the tooltip? A few of us calculated threat scaling with strength before the recent beta patch and we all used a 200% block value modifier for Shield of Righteousness damage (As based on the way Wowhead had it listed). Shield of Righteousness stating it would deal 230% damage would seem fairly logical if it's tooltip was modified by Shield of the Templar.

Ah, good point. Thanks for the clarification.

Using a rough average of 1100 healing per SoR cast, it looks like your tests show SoR to generate about 123 unmodified threat per cast. That's awful damn close to the 120 number that's been floating around this thread. It's always good when tests from different sources produce similar results.

Napkin math:

SoR threat = 1100 (healing that pulled aggro) * 0.5 (heal modifier) * 0.8 (druid subtlety talent) * 1/1.9 (Righteous Fury) * 1/1.3 (130% threat to pull from range) = 178.14 threat per cast - (110 mana generated from SA * 0.5 mana modifier) = 123.14 threat after removing threat from mana regen