Protection and you! - Page 170

• frmorrison · 10/21/08, 8:01 PM

I don't know if this was posted before, but the new rank of SotR is affected by spell hit (17% miss on bosses), also it adds 400 bonus damage instead of 300, all for a cost of 19g and being level 80.

Mordekhuul · 10/22/08, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by Exewut

The firelord's adds despawn after a while (4 minutes?) when there's like 20 of them up. There's no way you can dps them fast enough solo even at lvl 80, you just need to wear them down.
All of ZG is easy soloable at lvl 80 except for hakkar because he enrages and you just don't have enough dps to kill him (I got to ~35%) and the bat boss because she spamheals herself for ~40% of her hp every 15 seconds or so. I tried it at lvl 70 but I just took too much damage to kill anything other than the panther boss. Same deal for MC, everything is soloable except for the bosses that have anti healing curses (gehenas) or do fire damage (baron). I didn't try Shazzrah, Sulfuron or anything past those, but I'm quite sure that a T8 geared prot paladin with some consumables will be able to clear nearly everything in there.

After an MC blitz last night, I'll confirm that most MC trash is pretty easy to solo, at least until the lava packs, where stuns and such cause problems. I'm also not sure how a Firelord would go at 70, as he puts the debuff on that silences (we had 25+ folks there to get the achievement, so my ability to solo things was limited).

That said, I solo'd the first two giants while I waited for folks to show up. Easy, but sure takes a while.

Also, as one might expect, LBRS is quite easy to solo and how nice is it that the UBRS key gems all drop every time from the bosses now?

On another note, we discussed addons a few pages back, with regards to keeping a seal up and such.

As suggested, DoTimer is quite good for cooldowns and DoT durations once you disable the party buffs from showing up (just filter the /dot menu so that it blocks non-harmful dots/durations from showing.

Further, the Power Auras suggestion was stellar. Right now I have it configured in perhaps the simplest possible way. I have it set to show a white aura around me when SoC is up, a yellow aura when SoL is up, and a blue aura when SoW is up.

I also have the auras configured to show a timer just underneath my character that counts down how many seconds are left on my aura, so it is very, very obvious when my aura is about to expire, without having to look over at my list of buffs and find the icon in ElkBuffBars, for example.

I'd like to find a way to have a flashing or animated red aura show up when one of those seals is about to expire, but I haven't seen an option for it yet, but what I have now is working quite well even without it.

• Chicken · 10/22/08, 9:43 AM

One somewhat random thing of note: Touched by the Light increasing the total healing done by your critical heals by 30%, not just the extra healing you get through crits. This means your critical heals will do 95% more healing than your non-critical heals (Which is large boost compared to the normal 50% more healing on critical heals). As I previously noted, this works well with Flash of Light if you have a fairly high crit rate healing set. Your Holy Light crits will largely be overheals though.

Further in regards to soloing, as someone mentioned above, the trash to the first boss in Shattered Halls is easily soloable. Just focus your primary attention on the casters in the pulls first, and the pull sizes are more than large enough to keep your mana full from Sanctuary alone, so use Judgement of Light on your primary target as well. Swap to Seal of Light if you find it's needed to keep your health up. Due to the amount of mobs you tend to pull your weapon speed is pretty inconsequential: Any weapon you use will be sped up significantly by the amount you will be parrying attacks.

The first boss of Shattered Halls himself is a large pain due to the frequency at which he can cast Death Coil. I'm considering trying him out again someday while wearing Shadow Resist gear to mitigate this, but I can't be sure whether this would mitigate the effect well.

Mordekhuul · 10/22/08, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chicken

Further in regards to soloing, as someone mentioned above, the trash to the first boss in Shattered Halls is easily soloable. Just focus your primary attention on the casters in the pulls first, and the pull sizes are more than large enough to keep your mana full from Sanctuary alone, so use Judgement of Light on your primary target as well. Swap to Seal of Light if you find it's needed to keep your health up. Due to the amount of mobs you tend to pull your weapon speed is pretty inconsequential: Any weapon you use will be sped up significantly by the amount you will be parrying attacks.

The first boss of Shattered Halls himself is a large pain due to the frequency at which he can cast Death Coil. I'm considering trying him out again someday while wearing Shadow Resist gear to mitigate this, but I can't be sure whether this would mitigate the effect well.

That was me, and good thought on SR gear, although man would our damage output suck while doing it.

On the SH trash, focus on those hunter-like folks. They are the most dangerous because they scatter shot you and then the pack of mobs all smack you because you can't dodge, parry, or block.

Smurrf · 10/22/08, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

That was me, and good thought on SR gear, although man would our damage output suck while doing it.

I wasn't going to say anything, I figured people could go back and look for themselves if they really wanted to know who Chicken was referring. I'd like to see where you mentioned it though...I know I did here: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17089-p...01/#post945042

Perhaps I missed something somewhere? (Don't mean to derail, but if you're going to take credit, at least have done something to take credit for.)

Tilted · 10/22/08, 11:40 AM

I gotta say, I'm pretty pleased with our performance now in non-tanking situations. I was able to pull off 1243 DPS on Gorefiend last night in my DPS gear using my tank weapon/shield, and I even forgot to equip my DPS 1-hander. The new SoV scaling is definitely helpful, and HotR is an amazing addition for sheer damage output. I would've broken 1300 easy with the 4x HotR (still 3x now on live I believe), and it'll get even better once we hit 75 and get ShoR. Granted, it's not the 2400-2500 it would have been as ret, but I at least feel useful now when not being attacked.

Mordekhuul · 10/22/08, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Smurrf

I wasn't going to say anything, I figured people could go back and look for themselves if they really wanted to know who Chicken was referring. I'd like to see where you mentioned it though...I know I did here: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17089-p...01/#post945042

Perhaps I missed something somewhere? (Don't mean to derail, but if you're going to take credit, at least have done something to take credit for.)

I was sure I'd mentioned it in the post just before yours, but your'e right, it was you.

Dekkar · 10/22/08, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tilted

I gotta say, I'm pretty pleased with our performance now in non-tanking situations. I was able to pull off 1243 DPS on Gorefiend last night in my DPS gear using my tank weapon/shield, and I even forgot to equip my DPS 1-hander. The new SoV scaling is definitely helpful, and HotR is an amazing addition for sheer damage output. I would've broken 1300 easy with the 4x HotR (still 3x now on live I believe), and it'll get even better once we hit 75 and get ShoR. Granted, it's not the 2400-2500 it would have been as ret, but I at least feel useful now when not being attacked.

HotR is 4x damage. It's just a tooltip typo at the moment saying it's three times.

Sozar · 10/22/08, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tilted

I would've broken 1300 easy with the 4x HotR (still 3x now on live I believe).

I crit HotR for 2200 in ZA the other night using my Decapitator. I'm pretty sure its 4x on live.

If a HotR crit is calculated as (BASE_DPS+AP/14)*HOTR_MOD*ONE_HAND*CRIT=(BASE_DPS + AP/14)*4*1.1*2 = CRIT_DAMAGE

4x DPS = ((2200/(4*1.1*2))-92.1)*14 = 2210 AP
3x DPS = ((2200/(3*1.1*2))-92.1)*14 = 3377 AP

Assuming my math is right, sounds like 4x to me.

Smithist · 10/22/08, 3:13 PM

The in game character sheet will show your weapon dps after ap and One Hand Spec. Mine is 168.8, x4 yields ~675 which is exactly what my hammers hit for.

Tilted · 10/22/08, 4:19 PM

Thanks guys for the clarification. I did get a HotR crit for 2982 in that same kill, which was definitely a pleasant surprise.

Nobbynob Littlun · 10/22/08, 9:55 PM

I think the biggest benefit of us having this kind of dps is that it provides new incentive to the dpsers to perform better. People get embarassed when their tank is topping the damage meters.

[ninja edit] No longer must I play Enter the Gladiators in Ventrilo! Though... I probably will anyway :P

jere · 10/23/08, 8:26 AM

Originally Posted by Smithist

The in game character sheet will show your weapon dps after ap and One Hand Spec. Mine is 168.8, x4 yields ~675 which is exactly what my hammers hit for.

Just be careful using the character sheet if you have haste gear. Your character sheet will probably show you the modified DPS based on your haste rating, while HotR is based off of your weapon's base DPS and the AP contribution only, not modified by haste if I remember correctly.

Cathela · 10/23/08, 10:34 AM

That's probably right, jere. The original version was "weapon damage" and then later on "120% of weapon damage", both of which would be unchanged by haste. The new version is just supposed to remove weapon speed from the equation so we can use warrior tank weapons.

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My impression of threat since 3.0 is that we're a bit behind warriors, mainly because they have all their tools at level 70 and we don't have SotR yet, but we've still got plenty of threat to stay ahead of the dps. (Haven't had a chance to compare myself to a bear yet.)

The only threat problems I've had have been (a) dps warriors, which are doing insane damage right now due to the deep wounds bug, and (b) sometimes on horseman runs, where I take pretty much no damage so I have to watch my mana pool. In either case, HoSalv works very well to solve the problem. It's really fun to slap that on someone and watch their threat bar drop.

Incidentally, I've been using the Classic Blizzard ThreatMeters addon, which basically just activates the threat interface that was built into the game but left disabled. Very simple and clean; the only real drawback is that it only shows a maximum of 5 people at once.

ZulazeeluIcecrown · 10/23/08, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tilted

I gotta say, I'm pretty pleased with our performance now in non-tanking situations. I was able to pull off 1243 DPS on Gorefiend last night in my DPS gear using my tank weapon/shield, and I even forgot to equip my DPS 1-hander. The new SoV scaling is definitely helpful, and HotR is an amazing addition for sheer damage output. I would've broken 1300 easy with the 4x HotR (still 3x now on live I believe), and it'll get even better once we hit 75 and get ShoR. Granted, it's not the 2400-2500 it would have been as ret, but I at least feel useful now when not being attacked.

And healing feels just about as buffed, if not more. Last night I was OT in ZA, so I tanked the adds on Hex Lord. After they were dead, I was able to very meaningfully assist with healing with just a weapon/shield/libram swap. Flash of Light hits for over 1k and crits for 2k are meaningful, especially with the spirit bolt damage ensuring infinite mana (as long as I stuck to FoL). On Zul'jin I wore healing gear... Flash of Light crits for over 3k are extremely nice, heh. Definitely a huge buff to both healing and DPS when not tanking.