These calculations are not factoring in Misdirects (More aggro), DPS giving you a few seconds to build aggro etc. It also doesn't factor in aggro drops (Fade, Feint, Feign Death, Invisibility, SoulShatter, Die+Ankh, etc.). When you factor these in, the number that dpsers have to do to pass you up goes way higher than 1300 TPS. Especially if you are your guild's MT godsmacked, you are generating PLENTY enough aggro if you can maintain 1000 TPS. I could maybe see if your guild utilized you for high-threat fights like Void Reaver or Leotheras. It's a completely different story if you're tanking Morogrim who hits like a freaking truck and DPS is off killing murlocs half of the time anyways ;-).

Like I said earlier, recruit a ret pally if your guild is serious about you MTing and invest max talent points into stam/mitigation.

Hey guys, I'm new here and I must say that I'm loving what I'm seeing. I've finally found an output for knowledgeable end game prot pallies that I can relate to.

I was wondering, for those of you who are more savvy with Excel than I could ever be, if there was a way to setup a gear spreadsheet much like our Ret brothers did over there in their post. Ideally, my concept is to have a calculator that from the end game gear, finds what the best gear configuration is to optimize stamina, armor and block value but also obviously having to meet the 104 mark. Also, to, maybe setup a coefficient for spell damage or even a spell damage cap if there were a value. I know in my experience I rarely have trouble of raiders pulling agro off of me and i'm running about 500 SD .

Let me know what you guys think, i.e. if it's feasible. Hell, I'm willing to learn from one of you how to do it myself if anyone had the time to. I'd like to make one up for healing just shits and giggles if I ever had the time. But, once again, great hub here and tank on!

Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but the [Illidari Runeshield] has been reported as dropping from BT Trash.

You may want to update the first post, w/ this new information.

For reference, first heard of it on wowhead, at this link: Illidari Runeshield - Items - World of Warcraft

The [Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] with it's high stamina and holy damage proc seems like it was made for a Protection Paladin, but in practice would the proc add to threat in a noticeable way, or would it fall into the same trap as Reckoning where it won't proc enough to really matter unless you're in an AOE tanking situation?

People tend to seriously overestimate the effect of gearing up on "when-hit" procs. A typical paladin entering Kara might have ~40% full avoidance; a typical T6 paladin will probably have around 50%. That's a ~16% drop in the number of hits you take; is that really going to make such a huge difference?

Anyway, as Fiola said, it's about 10 damage per hit on average, so look at it as a 40% buff to Ret aura that's active even when you're not using Ret aura. It also works on casters, which can be handy when it procs on a caster mob in someplace like Shattered Halls.

And on top of that, it's 51 stamina, so what's not to like?

I wear mine for the +51 stamina, the proc is just icing on the cake.

Thanks for starting this thread Chicken, as a raiding Pally tank i have learned a lot.

Q. At the moment i tank with minimal Spell damage, SoB (I'm horde) and a kings defender with mongoose. Next patch ill be ditching reckoning for Combat Expertise which means that i also loose a tone of threat... ( 29% of all my damage comes from auto attacking + Reckoning Procs).

To solve this problem I'm going to switch to a spell damage weapon (Merc Glad or the one from ZA) and SoR, but i have a dilemma... I cant decide between 40 Spell Damage or Mongoose. I know 9/10 paladins use a spell damage weapon with 40 spell damage but, is it really that much better? Do i loose too much threat?

In my eyes Mongoose = 5.2% dodge (kings) and a very minor threat boost and seems to proc constantly with my current (reckoning) build. I also believe in putting mitigation and avoidance before threat generation.

What do you think? Merc Gladiator MH with 40 Spell Damage or Goose?

And by the way, if you haven't guessed already, I'm new to the forums so sorry if this has been answered before :P

Well you only need enough threat to get to where your dps can go full-out on your tank target. Past that, it's nearly pointless. So if you're at that stage, all the time, without the additional 40 spell damage, then don't worry about it, and go mongoose. If you're not, I'd say that holding threat on your target is more important than an inconsistent proc for avoidance's sake. That's really dependent on your dps, your threat, and your responsibilities though.

I would go for the +40 spell damage, you can make up the avoidance in other pieces.

I'm biased against chance-on-hit effects for tanking, especially for a class/spec that doesn't have instant weapon attacks to boost the proc rate.

I go for spelldamage on every tanking weapon. You may not need it right away, but chances are pretty good you will before you get a weapon upgrade. It's especially nice for resist fights where you have to sacrifice some of your other spelldamage gear. When I AoE tank Hydross adds, my weapon is basically the only spelldamage I've got.

Just so you know for fun i have been seeing what i can get my peak TPS on a single target can get up to. I broke 2100( about a minute into the fight) tps on a lurker trash sat night. I will try to get a screenie next time.