◊ Oggie

I saw this in Hyjal and -definately- on Kalecgos.

However, I'm not 100% sure it's not just 'mein lebein de aggro' since it never happened late in the fight, and I could keep it off anything if I actually got some decent aggro hits. Kalecgos specifically has some unreal high aggro moves, and the tauren warriors have always had extremely high threat-per-damage. Try to save a taunt for Kal right after he does the twirly sword thing and you're better off.

 

◊ Bryne

The Steelweave enchant (+12 def) is superior to the Dodge enchant when you're first reaching uncrushability, and it breaks about even at higher gear levels where block is falling off the table (0.632% dodge vs. 0.607% dodge+parry+miss). The new +defense to chest seems aimed towards again, gearing for uncrushability, or maybe for resistance fights, but I don't think it's preferable to +150 health in most situations.

The new +BV meta is probably excellent for your block/AoE set.

The RD "bug" I've seen is when the mob switches targets in the latency period between when you hit your macro (casting on the friendly target) and when it lands, causing a failure with no error message or resist. I haven't noticed any problems with the taunt portion of the spell not holding aggro for the duration; it's just fairly short and if you have a high-DPS mob also beating on it (Tauren Warriors are a great example) if you can't drop a nuke on it immediately after you RD, it's going to steal it back.

 

Eradorn

I was just wondering with the advent of the Resillence change, if anyone had played with sets or numbers for any fights with extensive DOTs or Mana drains.

All I can think of right now are the pre-Curator pulls (tanking those always takes me down to nothing), but I am betting there are more that are just not on the top of my head.

Any value in making a Resil set? Any ideas what to use? Or is the ratio so low that it's not worth the effort?

Thanks.

 

Creech

Thottbot, WoWhead and WOWDB all seem to agree that [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] procs on Consecration. That would make it fantastic for AoE farming, obviously, but what about for actual tanking purposes?

 

Hugrim

That trinket dropped every MT-ID since wednesday, we disenchanted it everytimes. If it can proc from Consecration it may be useful for the Felmyst Encounter, also the Hyjal-waves. I'm pretty sure, that from now on, this trinket isn't going to drop at all (I hated my "luck")

 

Prinsesa

I'd have to say that the [Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] might be better for AOE tanking.

For one thing, Timbal's Crystal has an internal cooldown, so it's not like you're going to shoot 10 Shadow Bolts everywhere from Consecrating three dozen Demon-Hunter Supplicants. This is opposed to DMC: V, which has no cooldown (and can even proc from ranged attacks/spells), although I'm not familiar with how much a tank's pure avoidance would curb the proc rate.

For another, the Shadow Bolt deals (obviously) Shadow damage, which isn't affected by Righteous Fury, which curbs the threat potential. This is opposed to DMC: V's Holy damage proc.

Yes, the raw spell damage makes it a good threat trinket, but I don't consider the proc to make it stand out particularly over other spell damage trinkets you might be wearing. I'd argue the [Battlemaster's Audacity] is better for a raiding AOE tank situation.

All that being said, only a handful of items have more spell damage than the Crystal (Eye of Magtheridon, Hex Shrunken Head), and those I wouldn't take over other casters in the guild, so I'd still hang onto the Crystal.

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

- Ghostcrawler

 

Pitbuller

[Timbal's Focusing Crystal]

Testing:
10% proc and appears to have an internal cooldown of 15sec

Can crit, affect by every debuff don't consume ISB.

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

• Chicken

The Darkmoon Card also procs on avoided attacks that I've noticed.

Timbal's would be awesome if it didn't have it's hidden cooldown, but since it does it's not much use for us. It's better suited for the caster classes.

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Marshmallow

It doesn't specify on the Trinket itself but keep in mind [Timbal's Focusing Crystal]procs as Shadow damage regardless of the spell school that triggered it. So [Darkmoon Card: Vengeance] also has the benefit of being holy damage to go along with Righteous Fury along with the previously mentioned lack of internal cooldown.

 

Draegan

I've very new to the whole paladin tank scene, I'm just hitting 60 myself. But I'm starting to teach myself the mechanics.

Here's a good pre-raid thread. Maintankadin :: View topic - Pre-raid Tanking: Theories, Goals and the Gear to Get There

--
Side note, does 1hws refer to Onehand weapon speed? I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.

Looking for a guild.

 

thedopefishlives

One-handed weapon specialization, the talent in the Protection tree.

 

Draegan

Ah, well that makes more sense then. Can't believe I missed it.

Looking for a guild.

 

Prinsesa

Borrowed heavily from Eanin's Failsafe Uncrushability Guide: Maintankadin :: View topic - Eanin's Failsafe Uncrushability Guide

Head:
[Felsteel Helm] - crafted by a Blacksmith
(Alternative: [Tankatronic Goggles] - BOP crafted by an Engineer)
(Alternative: [Myrmidon's Headdress] - The Warlord's Hideout quest in Steamvaults)
Enchant:

I listed the Headdress here because it has a meta gem socket, and if you put in an [Eternal Earthstorm Diamond], it ends up offering more uncrushability than the Felsteel Helm

Neck:
[Strength of the Untamed] - Cenarion Expedition - Revered

If you're running Steamvaults for CE rep repeatedly, keep an eye out for the [Steam-Hinge Chain of Valor] from the first boss, as that actually has more uncrushability than the rep necklace

Shoulders:
[Nexus-Guard's Pauldrons] - Success! quest in Netherstorm
(Alternative: [Warchief's Mantle] - Return to Andormu quest in Caverns of Time)
Enchant: [Inscription of the Knight] / [Inscription of Warding] - Scryer/Aldor - Honored (or their Greater version if you're Exalted)

Back:
[Cloak of Eternity] - crafted by a Tailor
Enchant: [Scroll of Enchant Cloak - Steelweave]

Chest:
[Breastplate of the Warbringer] - Forge Camp: Annihilated quest in Nagrand
(Alternative: [Vindicator's Hauberk] - Aldor - Revered)
Enchant: [Scroll of Enchant Chest - Greater Defense]

Other possible enchants include [Enchant Chest - Exceptional Health] and [Enchant Chest - Exceptional Stats], although Defense is the way to go to get uncrushable ASAP.

Wrists:
[Bracers of the Green Fortress] - crafted by a Blacksmith
(Alternative: [Sha'tari Wrought Armguards] - The Soul Devices quest in Shadow Labyrinth)
Enchant: [Enchant Bracer - Major Defense]

Once you can spare the uncrushability, look towards switching to [Enchant Bracer - Fortitude]

Hands:
[Felsteel Gloves] - crafted by a Blacksmith
(Alternative: [Gauntlets of the Chosen] - Scryers - Revered)
Enchant: [Formula: Enchant Gloves - Superior Agility]

Once you can spare the uncrushability, look towards switching to either [Heavy Knothide Armor Kit] or [Glove Reinforcements]

Waist:
[Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard] - How to Break into the Arcatraz quest in Netherstorm

Legs:
[Timewarden's Leggings] - Keepers of Time - Revered
(Alternative: [Felsteel Leggings] - crafted by a Blacksmith)
(Alternative: [Legguards of the Resolute Defender] - Destroy Naberius! quest in Netherstorm)
Enchant: [Clefthide Leg Armor] (or [Nethercleft Leg Armor] if you can afford it)

Feet:
[Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves] - Someone Else's Hard Work Pays off quest in Mana Tombs
Enchant: [Enchant Boots - Fortitude]

If you have an epic flyer, the [Ascendant's Boots] from a Netherwing quest in Shadowmoon Valley is an excellent alternative, although the caveat is rather expensive. Otherwise, you may have difficulty finding a real pair of tanking boots for quite some time if those Greaves aren't available for whatever reason. Personally, I had to use Obsidian Clodstompers from Botanica for months until I scraped 60 badges together for the [Sabatons of the Righteous Defender]

Fingers:
[Andormu's Tear] - Hero of the Brood quest in Caverns of Time
[Protector's Mark of the Redemption] - Dissention Among the Ranks quest in Shadowmoon Valley
[Delicate Eternium Ring] - crafted by a Jewelcrafter
(Alternative Enchant: [Formula: Enchant Ring - Stats] - BOP enchant, must be an Enchanter)

If you're an Enchanter, look towards using [Enchant Ring - Spellpower] as soon as you can spare the uncrushability. You can even probably use it right off the bat.

Trinket:
[Dabiri's Enigma] - Dimensius the All-Devouring quest in Netherstorm
[Regal Protectorate] - Cruel's Intention quest in Hellfire Peninsula

Same case as the Boots: You might have to farm for drops if you took a different quest reward from these, as I know firsthand that the healing pants from Dimensius were great, as was the Bladefist's Breath for Ret. Look towards the [Adamantine Figurine] from the 2nd boss in Shadow Labs, and then the [Figurine of the Colossus] from Kargath in Shattered Halls.

Weapon:
[Seeker's Gavel] - Shattered Sun Offensive - Revered
[Continuum Blade] - Keepers of Time - Revered
[Crystalforged Sword] - BOE world drop
Enchant: [Enchant Weapon - Major Spellpower]

The Sword offers uncrushability and the BOE status might make it easier to acquire than the rest. The Gavel offers more spell damage than the other two, and the rep can be acquired just by doing group quests, although you might already be Revered if you're one of those "long-time player, new tank" Paladins. Also, consider the [Gavel of Unearthed Secrets] if you're already Exalted with Lower City for maximum spell damage, or even the [Gladiator's Gavel] if you PvP a lot.

Shield:
[Shield of the Wayward Footman] - BOE world drop
(Alternative: [Netherwing Defender's Shield] - Ally of the Netherwing quest in Shadowmoon Valley)
Enchant: [Enchant Shield - Shield Block]

If and when you reach Exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive, consider buying the [Sunward Crest]. The [Crest of the Sha'tar] from Exalted Sha'tar is yet another altenative, but requires repeated clears of TK instances to rep up for, whereas the SSO rep is just from dailies. As with your chest and bracers, look towards switching to [Enchant Shield - Major Stamina] once you can afford it.

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

- Ghostcrawler

 

makotospeaks

I didnt check the WWS, but it looks like it was a Crit for 11k she must not have read the combat log carefuly, the only crit of the whole night....kinda odd but not a crush. Sorry about that.

 

hypetech

Do you have a combat log snippet or a WWS report or anything along those lines showing the crushing blow?

 

Redcape

Running Sunwell with crittable tanks seems like a questionable decision.

 

BobtheHick

Was just wondering if anybody had done the research on Battlemaster to see if the heal from it worked with Righteous Fury. I know it'd only help if people weren't topped off but there are lots of boss fights and whatnot with aoes that keep healers busy. Just thought it could be an alternative to +40 spell damage for aggro.

 

• Theras

Battlemaster - Spells - World of Warcraft

It's an Arcane school ability.

 

kalbear

The math has been done elsewhere, but the short answer is that even in the absolute best case where you're healing everyone fully every time it does not do as much threat as +40SD does for a paladin. And that's the best case.

Skip it unless you've got something specific in mind.

 

Gromweld

So. Brutallus.

First Kill:
Wow Web Stats
Second Kill:
Wow Web Stats

Points of note:
- Warrior and I both take almost the equal amounts of damage, despite the difference in %mitigation from Righteous Fury/Defensive stance. The reason behind this is the ungodly amount of Blocking I am doing, and for how much (~729 from each hit due to BlockValue Libram) each block mitigates.
- Righteous Defense does not work in Omen right now, but your DPS shouldn't really be bothering to look at the threat meters in this fight anyway - if they hold back at all, you won't get the Enrage timer.
- Ardent Defender is WORTHLESS in this fight. Even though there are many instances where I am under 8k hitpoints and I take an offhand hit, I have yet to see an attack that it has reduced.
- Reckoning will actually out-threat One-Hand Spec due to the "secret" buff mobs have in the instance. Since you are -20% dodge and -5% miss in the fight, you're actually getting hit often enough for it to proc reliably (so sayeth all the math I have done, I didn't have a chance to actually test it). The problem is that Felmyst, the boss immediately after, demands One-hand Spec... hooray for not having to re-learn spells after re-specing.
- Druids are better than Warriors and Paladins in this fight due to their retarded levels of armor, which makes incoming damage much more stable. If you have two feral tanks, use them instead - unless they are way less geared than your other tanks, that is.

 

Ortis

Ok, so I am having an arguement with the main tank in my guild who insists that 490 defense is not required to tank Hydross. While I do not disagree that it is absolutely required, I still think it is a very very good idea. Basically it comes down to weather Hydross and elemental damage in general can crit. I understand that he does not crush so we don't need to stack mitigation(specifically shield block as it is useless), but we as tanks should still get to 490 defense to prevent crits correct?

 

◊ Bryne

Hydross' melee (and elemental damage in general) can crit, but cannot crush or be blocked. You should probably be aiming for resist cap first, defense cap second here, but with resilience and the new chest/cloak enchants it's fairly trivial now to be uncrittable if you're using the epic crafted plate.

 

◊ Cathela

For tanking Hydross herself (himself?) I'd probably go for crit-immunity first, on the theory that taking a but more steady damage is something your healers can handle, but taking a crit at the 100% mark has a high likelihood of killing you even if you're resist-capped. But it's been awhile since I tanked Hydross and I don't remember the numbers exactly.

For tanking adds, push both resists as high as possible and just take whatever defense you can get.

My comrades are my weapons, and I am their shield.

 

Prinsesa

Himself. Hydross' title is <Duke of Currents>, where Duke is a masculine noun.

On-topic:

I've heard horror stories about the Scryer's Arcane Bolt proc from the [Shattered Sun Pendant of Acumen] having a very long range and proccing off anything and everything, which leads to your Mage pulling the boss because she was crafting bandages with the boss targeted.

As a Scryer myself, I'd like to think we can turn that around and use this necklace as a pulling tool. While you'd probably want to wear an actual tanking necklace for raids, I can see the usefulness of this in 5-mans, especially since I've swapped out my old can't-Mana-Tap pulling tool (the [Gnomish Poultryizer]).

However, I still have 5 bubbles of SSO rep to go through before Exalted. In the meantime, can someone shed light on which Paladin spells can proc this? I was thinking perhaps the pre-pull Seal or Holy Shield would be excellent for this purpose.

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

- Ghostcrawler

 

◊ Bryne

It probably merits some testing, but anecdotally the necklace can proc on absolutely anything, casting any spell or even drinking a potion or flask.