A note on the 'god don't get the BP' I'm about 95% sure Dragonwing was saying don't get the new badge BP, as the old one is quite good.

I tried to skim the forum and see if this has been answered, but theres way too much info here now.
I was discussing Tankadins with the guild leader of a 9/9 BT guild (I think they just downed twins in Sunwell, but w/e), and a question came up that I didnt know the answer to.

Is it possible for a tankadin to tank phase two of RoS? The deaden would definatly make it a bitch, but is it possible? Has anyone done it?

(My guild is still 3/9 in BT, so I really have no RoS experience to go off)

Quite possible, I know someone who has done it.

It's about the silliest thing you could ever do, mind you.

If your guild has the DPS to manage getting through phase 2 of RoS without the extra damage a reflected Deaden gives it's entirely possible. It's unlikely your guild will have that amount of DPS when learning RoS though.

Meh. Whenever that argument comes up, I ask when the last time they tanked Krosh. Or Leo in his demon form (which amusingly enough a paladin can actually do and without ridiculous difficulty).

There are plenty of fights where a paladin is disadvantaged compared to a warrior; Gruul, Archimonde, Maiden all suck in one way or another. There are plenty of fights where a paladin is advantaged. Does it really matter that a paladin tank can't reasonably tank RoS phase 2?

Anyway, talk to Bluerage over at Mannoroth, who claims this. I don't see why it wouldn't be true, but it's certainly true you couldn't do it as a progression kill.

Of course. Feel free to add and remove as you feel necessary as well, as I would never go as far to say that all of those statements were perfect.

And yes. I feel the new Badge chest is quite useful for the amount of spell hit and damage it offers, however, not an even balance between it's threat and the tanking statistics that it offers. In comparison- [Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate] to [Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian] to [Chestplate of Stoicism] You can clearly see you have gear that would ideally benefit you on different levels. Although it appears as if the new badge chest would be great for trash and AoE tanks, in my opinion, 25 spell damage and 34 spell it is not worth throwing away for 38 dodge. Now, if that were all there were to it you might be willing to sacrifice the avoidance for the difference in threat, but there's more.

Take the two pieces

[Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate] [Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian]
now lets gem them
as in a fashion to say
we wanted to balance
the new chest with a
good tanking stability
or the old to a better
threat stability, and see
what is better.

One slot
[Solid Star of Elune]
+2 dodge socket bonus
resulting stats:
-90 stamina
-2 dodge
-26 defense
-34 spell hit
-60 spell damage
-1765 armor
One slot

Three slots
[Veiled Noble Topaz]
[Veiled Noble Topaz]
[Solid Star of Elune]
+6 stam socket bonus
Resulting stats:
-78 stamina
-22 defense
-8 spell hit
-45 spell damage
-38 dodge
-1607 armor

Now, in comparison, you immediately look at Shattrath as superior because it already has more stamina spell damage and spell hit; however, with the difference of going with Shat, you look at trading 36 dodge (2 dodge from socket bonus subtracted) for 12 stamina, 26 spell hit, 15 spell damage, 4 defense, and 158 armor.

the survival end of that is
12 stamina
4 defense
158 armor
2 dodge

which you can clearly see you sacrifice about right on (about .2 avoidance on this little difference), whereas that 36 dodge is giving you about 1.8% avoidance. And considering dodge is your second best choice for stacking avoidance (shield block being the first) then I would say as a MT or OT it's a given Stoic would be the better buy, And that even if you were a Trash/AoE tank, that Assuming you'd have excess to epic gems (or buy them from the AH) at some point in time, that the stoic guardian piece gives you more room to upgrade and customize your direction (as to threat, stamina, or avoidance) and in greater amounts (as it has 3 gem slots that you could put epic pieces opposed to the one available in shatt).

I personally would take the stoic piece and stam gem it for trash tankng, unless your having an extremely rough time tanking trash.

What I feel blizzard fails to recognize is that shatt's chestpiece WOULD be great for an AoE / Trash tank, however, due to the fact those tanks generally are not found tanking bosses, the need for spell hit is quite lower, as your generally fighting 70-72 elites, so well within reasonable range to stack a minute amount of spell hit (if any) with no problem. And with the cost of avoidance, it is not a viable chest for any MT or OT planning on doing 73 boss mobs.

I by no means mean to assume it is not a good piece circumstancially, especially if your well geared, and are just looking to sub out some pieces for quicker easier pulls in raid trash, or in burning heroics by mass AoE tanking... for that sort of thing, I would agree that the Shat piece would be a better buy. But for most paladin tanks, I expect to see the Stoic chestguard or the new warrior one... as it's perfect for high end tanking.

It has been done, it is possible, but it is by no means more convenient. It would be like using a warrior to round up murlocs on morogrim... it has certainly be done. But it is not nearly as effective as it was clearly intended to be easier for somebody else.

Not to mention Felmyst, a fight near impossible if you dont have a prot pala.

Illidan has been tanked (start to end) by a druid using warriors to intervene the shears. Kael'thas has been tanked by a druid. A flame of Azzinoth has been tanked (successfully) by a warlock. We had a RoS kill where about all but one deaden were kicked by a rogue applicant... so it's all possible IF you severely outgear the encounter.

I have a question about librams, I'm sorry if it has been answered I tried to look through the thread.

At the moment I am using [Libram of Repentance] but I actually don't need it anymore to stay uncrushable. Without it equipped I'm still at 105%. So I was wondering if it is worth for me to spend 20 badges on the [Libram of Divine Purpose] ?

I also would like to know if the [Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian] are worth the 75 badges when I already have [Jungle Stompers]

Our guild has been abit unlucky in terms of tanks leaving the game etc. so I'm actually currently our MT and thus do alot of single target tanking, unless it's totally stupid like on Morogrim where I ofc take the murlocks.

Thanks for the help.

I dropped [Libram of Repentance] for [Libram of Divine Purpose] as soon as I could and stay uncrushable. I still have it in my bags and use it for some gear configurations (mostly resist gear).

Personally I'd stick with [Jungle Stompers]. At the moment, I don't see any reason to buy [Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian].

I can't see dropping deflection as being a good move. 5% complete physical avoidance for 5% block seems pretty bad. The extra threat just isn't worth it. Especially when you consider you'll get slightly more threat from the swing timer haste after parrying.