I usually end up tanking all 4 adds ..simply because the other druid tank can multi tank as well as a paladin can. I use a mix of nature and frost gear, and switch my trinkets to straight defense trinkets. I end up with about 250 frost and 250 nature, and 480 defense. that includes aura's etc.

I tested mine out on the test realm. I couldn't get the proc up at all on any mobs i tried it out one. Swung probably 200 times and not one proc

The obvious intent of the change is to make Nightfall no longer worth using at 70, so I'm sure the nerf was hard enough to make it no longer worth using.

It's a very hefty nerf.

Against random mobs in Netherstorm lvl 68-70: 30mins 372 tracked hits, zero procs...

Against random mobs in Winterspring lvl 58-59: Spent maybe 10mins just to make sure it was still working, procced at the usual rate of around 15% (121 hits, 10procs in this particular testing)

Back to Netherstorm: Another hour and 712 swings on the logs I'm about to come here and report that it must be broken entirely, and something very disappointing happens... it procs, once on a lvl 68 Basilisk. Sadly it actually proccing shows it's not broken, but that the proc rate is >.1% by my results. (1084 hits, 1 proc) maybe just a bad string of luck, but it doesn't bode well.

R.I.P. [Nightfall] you will be missed.

If you're main role is to off tank or aoe tank then spell damage tanking gear is the way to go. That being said, if you need an upgraded chest piece I'd go for the old badge chest [Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian]. I've found that when you're aoe tanking and off tanking the more spell damage you have the better. The other main stats you'll want are Block and Block Value. I can't look at your armory since I'm at work but I can check that out later for any specific upgrades.

On the flip side, if you were main tanking you'd be concerned with more mitigation like dodge and parry, and not as much spell damage. Usually in a main-tanking situation a spell damage weapon & any tier gear will usually take care of all the spell damage you need while you cap your defense and up your mitigation.

I could be wrong considering I've mainly raided as ret. But I have done tanking on the content you're doing and the standards I mentioned worked well for me when I wasn't in a MT position. But I did keep a MT set for when the time came that I'd have to fill in for our MT if he was out.

Replacing t5 Leggings with Legplates of the Aldor would be a good idea, but at your progress level you should consider also [Unwavering Legguards]...good chunk of avoidance, block value and stamina. I also bought the Legplates of the Aldor recently and applied the epic Spellthread on it for threat-sensitive fights (well, every fight is kinda aggro-sensitive, but you know what i mean...).

Personally i would advice you to take [Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian]. Its kinda cheaper than [Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate] und has more future... I also bought the Stoicism BP, but to be honest more to *have* it than to wear it ;-)
Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian I'm replacing soon with T6 Breastplate, until then its part of most of my garderobe...

So if i would be you, buy Unwavering Legguards and Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian.


p.s. greetings, Cathela... made some progress since your hydross preps

I am a holy paladin that has been AOE tanking in MH. We are now starting on Felmyst. What kind of stats do I need to effectively tank the Felmyst adds? Thanks for the input.

Simply, if you don't have [Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian], you should get it. The legs are also a great investment, but the chestpiece is one of the best paladin tanking items in the game at any level and will not be replaced until Illidan.

Looking at the uncrushability macro-

is the +20 close to the end based off the Avoidance talent? Would this number need to be adjusted according to spec?

Yes, that's right. If you don't have the full 5 points in Anticipation, the macro's results will be off unless you change it.

Greetings, brother. I am in a similar position as you; 5/6 SSC, 3/4 TK, 2/5 MH. Although it looks like the drops have been kinder to you

When tank survival is a problem, our guild has a couple protection warriors and a bear druid who are seriously beefed for that kind of thing. My concern is having threat in situations, whether AoE or single-target, where it is difficult or even impossible for them to do so.

Thus I went with the Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate and, yes, Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian, and I even socketed things besides Solid Stars. I always apply Superior Wizard Oil. So I always have, at minimum, around 500 spellpower. For raids, I use a Flask of either Supreme Power or Blinding Light for another 70-80 damage. For heroics, Karazhan, and Mt. Hyjal trash I switch in a few pieces for around 40 more spellpower.

I'm only just above the crushing blow threshold, and yeah, my HPs are lower than they could be, but it's worth it to see your DPSers can go all out on even the most threat-sensitive fights. And when you can clear heroic botanica in 20-30 minutes, 100 badges really doesn't seem like all that much anymore. And it's great for showing off.

If you don't need to be your guild's "main tank", I highly, highly recommend going this route.