Retribution DPS Theorycraft - Page 105

flyingtoastr · 01/18/08, 2:29 AM

So the conclusion we can draw from this is that HoW is pretty much useless in PvE situations (though in PvP it is quite fun) for a ret pally as long as it has a cast time. Seems like a simple enough thing to fix, and I would expect the devs could tack it on to some talent to make it instant cast (or replace Improved Retribution Aura).

Valerys · 01/18/08, 2:51 AM

[Cloak of Fiends] should be added to the spreadsheet, as far as I can tell it's currently the best cloak in the game if you are hit capped.

Antiock · 01/18/08, 5:37 AM

Originally Posted by Theras

Conclusion: Hammer of Wrath is only worthwhile if the following two conditions are met:

You are playing from the server room in Irvine California.
Your secret identity is Barry Allen.

Thanks for all the calculations, guys. This is something that I've been very unsure about since I started raiding as ret.

Valerys · 01/18/08, 7:13 AM

I think HoW is nice in a few very specific situations - such as when Leotheras is at 2%, whirlwinding, and we have to burn him down asap because our warlock tank just died.

Antiock · 01/18/08, 7:31 AM

Hmmm....is it just me, or does the spreadsheet not check to make sure you're meeting the gem requirements for meta gems? At least, that seems to be the case with [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond].

HolyHotty · 01/18/08, 8:07 AM

After deciding to save a Torch of the Damned from being DE'd last week, I got lucky and 6 pieces of BT/Hyjal loot dropped that no one wanted. I've been Ret for about a week now and am still trying to figure out all the intricacies of the spec. I've pretty much got the basics: SoB > SoC, Str/AP > Crit/Agi > spelldmg, 9% hit with talents is all I need, the relentless earthstorm diamond is the best meta gem, and Haste is a really good stat. However, I still have a few questions and I read way too slow to make it through 63 pages worth of posts

. I apologize in advance for any questions that have been asked and answered a million times, and I'll make my list short and to the point.

Assume: Seal of Blood, only doing heroics through ZA (guild would kill me if I showed up to BT as ret), I have access to every piece of PvE and cheap PvP gear, no access to epic gems, gold not important for consumables or enchants.
The World of Warcraft Armory

Questions:
1) "Best" weapon enchant(s)? (Solo and raids)
2) Elixirs, Flasks?
3) Best dps rotation? (Do I need to time crusader strike with my auto attacks? Questions like that.)
4) Suggestions for gear/talents? ie. obvious or easy to obtain gear upgrades, better enchants, and talents I should/shouldn't have.

Thank you in advance for the help.

• Zurm · 01/18/08, 9:06 AM

Rotation is in the first post, talents... it varies but usually its something like 5/8-10/46-48. If you want an idea look at my armory.

The rest can be answered by the spreadsheet bellator makes... enter your gear and plug away.

Bellator's spreadsheets

Edit: And in case it hasn't been said enough, TYVM for your hard work on this spreadsheet Bellator. It IS much appreciated by the members of this thread.

HolyHotty · 01/18/08, 10:21 AM

Thanks for the quick reply. I read the first 10 pages or so of info, but I was just wondering if any "new and improved" rotations or theorycraft stuff like that came up in the following 50 pages. The few uber ret pallies that I checked all have mongoose so I guess I'll go with that one :P. Also, I'm terrible at figuring out how to use spreadsheets but I'll keep at it :P

• Zurm · 01/18/08, 11:02 AM

Weapon enchant depends on your gear. At lower gear levels, savagery is accepted as the best, and around endgame mongoose or executioner can be best depending on how much armor penetration you have. Seeing as how a large chunk of dmg I do is magic, I decided to avoid armor penetration and use mongoose.

Looking at your armory, you look pretty well off atm. I'd say priority #1 is to get a [Libram of Avengement] from heroic BF (I think, been a while). That's endgame

xellos · 01/18/08, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by HolyHotty

(guild would kill me if I showed up to BT as ret)

Your guild sucks :p

While looking at your armory I noticed that you have 115 hit rating and 3/3 Precision. All you need is 9% total hit (~142 hit rating), so you could drop 1 point out of precision or adjust your gear when you get upgrades. Additionally, pick up the S3 gloves. Getting the best hands in the game for only 1125 arena points is unbelievable.

Saltycracker · 01/18/08, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by xellos

Your guild sucks :p

While looking at your armory I noticed that you have 115 hit rating and 3/3 Precision. All you need is 9% total hit (~142 hit rating), so you could drop 1 point out of precision or adjust your gear when you get upgrades. Additionally, pick up the S3 gloves. Getting the best hands in the game for only 1125 arena points is unbelievable.

Troof on the S3 gloves. Best, bonus, ever.

Get a new helm glyph, it looks like you have all the hit you could ever need. Get Glyph of the Outcast from lower city (+str/int).

You arguably have better gear than me, and heres a WWS of our first night on Bloodboil to show you how viable ret is, especially with seal of blood on your side. Start talking to your raid leader to bring a ret pally. The utility and damage we bring to a 25 man is very valuable.

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• Zurm · 01/18/08, 3:35 PM

Salty, that is by far the oddest placement of classes in a WWS for gorefiend I have ever seen... warlocks not first? O_o

I guess you guys are still gearing up...most everyone in my guild only needs 1-2 pieces to be fully endgame, and I usually place 5th-8th. Can't touch the over 2k dps the locks do and the 1800+ dps rogues. I usually sit around the 1500 mark for gorefiend.

Edit:

Actually... our guild placed 24th on world dps on gorefiend this week. I got first ghost though, so I didn't do that amazing.

If you guys are curious what ret dps looks like on gorefiend, I frapsed the kill linked above. Gearwise, I'm missing [Dreadboots of the Legion], [Belt of Seething Fury], and [Lightbringer Breastplate] from being fully endgame. Also good for those who haven't been ghosted yet. Please don't critique my video editing skills; I made the video in about 10 minutes for one of our shaman who wanted to see what my damage looks like.

Enjoy

HolyHotty · 01/18/08, 3:55 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll definitely have to get those S3 gloves, that libram, and maybe a new glyph for my helm. It would probably be a lot of fun to give ret a try in BT, unfortunately we already have a ret paladin that's been ret since 2.3, and I'm pretty sure he'd try to find and kill me in real life if I took his spot.

Saltycracker · 01/18/08, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Zurm

Salty, that is by far the oddest placement of classes in a WWS for gorefiend I have ever seen... warlocks not first? O_o

I guess you guys are still gearing up...most everyone in my guild only needs 1-2 pieces to be fully endgame, and I usually place 5th-8th. Can't touch the over 2k dps the locks do and the 1800+ dps rogues. I usually sit around the 1500 mark for gorefiend.
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I posted a Grutogg Bloodboil WWS, but I can show you a Gorefiend as well =P We were just learning the fight so the locks were spamming drain life a lot. As far as the locks go, they should be shadowbolt spamming/ CoDoom and wtf ever else they do. Usually out best lock (Caps....Caps lock get it?) is throwing out mad deeps and is on top a lot of the fights. Dont hate on me for hammer of wrathing at the end, that was prior EJ discussion.

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Why are you shooting for that belt [Belt of Seething Fury]? The [Belt of One-Hundred Deaths] is mo better imo. The expertise REALLY cuts down on dodges.

Avitus · 01/18/08, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by flyingtoastr

So the conclusion we can draw from this is that HoW is pretty much useless in PvE situations (though in PvP it is quite fun) for a ret pally as long as it has a cast time. Seems like a simple enough thing to fix, and I would expect the devs could tack it on to some talent to make it instant cast (or replace Improved Retribution Aura).

But no, they can't give us a "ranged instacast execute", that would be imbalanced *cough SW: Death* :P

Originally Posted by HolyHotty

Questions:
1) "Best" weapon enchant(s)? (Solo and raids)
2) Elixirs, Flasks?
3) Best dps rotation? (Do I need to time crusader strike with my auto attacks? Questions like that.)
4) Suggestions for gear/talents? ie. obvious or easy to obtain gear upgrades, better enchants, and talents I should/shouldn't have.

Thank you in advance for the help.

1) Mongoose. Supposedly for Belf stacking haste Executioner is arguably equal, but you can't go wrong with Mongoose imo.
2) Flask of Relentless Assault. If you want to use pots, depends on your stats, but Str pot or Agi pot (surprisingly good), Str Food
3) CS everytime it's up, JoC/JoB everytime it's up and won't conflict with CS, Consecration inbetween if you got mana
4) Spec looks good, you could arguably dump your Benediction points into Imp BoM (if you're the disgnated BoM buffer), though difference is marginal either way
4*) Gear looks pretty good, maybe try to lose some hit (-1.2%) and get str/crit instead, maybe drop your neck and get the one from SSC trash if you still can get there, you HAVE to upgrade your libram farm [Libram of Avengement] in heroic Blood Furnace, possibly invest in a [Darkmoon Card: Crusade] for sustained pve dps

Hope all that info wasn't too tightly packed to read