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Old 03/05/08, 9:11 PM   #2676
Grayson Carlyle
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Originally Posted by flyingtoastr View Post
I haven't seen a list of every boss in BT/Hyjal and their armor values yet
http://elitistjerks.com/496799-post8.html
 
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Old 03/05/08, 9:38 PM   #2677
 Anarkii
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Originally Posted by Theras View Post
I'm getting some weird-ass stat displays from Rawr. Like for example, it thinks I have 12% to hit in gear that's actually just shy of 9%.
Do you have Improved faerie fire checked in buffs? That's the moonkin talent and adds 3% to hit. Make sure you only select Faerie Fire and not Improved if you don't have a moonkin.
 
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Old 03/05/08, 9:47 PM   #2678
 Theras
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Anarkii View Post
Do you have Improved faerie fire checked in buffs? That's the moonkin talent and adds 3% to hit. Make sure you only select Faerie Fire and not Improved if you don't have a moonkin.
No, I didn't. Shortly after posting that, however, it got into an infinite loop when I tried to modify an item and told me that I didn't have permission to modify items in the folder, and then crashed. Loading it up now doesn't reproduce the issue.
 
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Old 03/05/08, 10:25 PM   #2679
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If you again get 12% hit with that setup, can you save the character to an XML and PM me the entire contents of it here.
 
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Old 03/05/08, 11:35 PM   #2680
Prinsesa
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
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How does the new Alchemist's Stone stack up as a trinket?

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...s-newstats.jpg

It offers 108 AP. [Bloodlust Brooch] works out to 118 AP if used every cooldown, so this looks like a slightly lesser version, with less spiky damage.

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Old 03/06/08, 12:27 AM   #2681
flyingtoastr
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Originally Posted by Grayson Carlyle View Post
Ah wonderful. I didn't realize anyone had done it for T6 bosses. I'll make a nice big thing after raid tonight (afking on trash is dangerous in BT I've realized).

Originally Posted by Prinsesa View Post
How does the new Alchemist's Stone stack up as a trinket?

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...s-newstats.jpg

It offers 108 AP. [Bloodlust Brooch] works out to 118 AP if used every cooldown, so this looks like a slightly lesser version, with less spiky damage.
Depends how much you use mana pots. If you're chain chugging its easily the best trinket in slot now. If you're only using haste pots it is rather meh.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 12:45 AM   #2682
mickeyknox
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Originally Posted by flyingtoastr View Post
afking on trash is dangerous in BT I've realized
BT has trash?


maybe i really should afk less....

Also; does Rawr's Retribution tool automatically factor in Windfury totem? I don't seem to see it on the buffs list even though I see Weightstones and Sharpening stones.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 1:24 AM   #2683
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Yeah, it automatically factors in Windfury right now. I'll make that an option in the buffs section soon.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 2:01 AM   #2684
 Theras
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If you attempt to add an item not found in the Armory database, Rawr will repeatedly throw up the following error message with no way of continuing to use the program or saving your work:

Rawr encountered an error while attempting to load a saved image, so is retrying. If you encounter this error multiple times, please ensure that Rawr is unzipped in a location that you have full file read/write access, such as your Desktop, or My Documents.
Rather irritating when I'm trying to manually import all of the items in Bellator's spreadsheet.

Edit: I cannot change socket bonus types for items I am manually entering from Sunwell. For example, I create a new item in the program for [Duplicitous Guise] by duplicating another item ([Crown of Anasterian]). I cannot change the socket bonus to hit rating, from crit rating.

Edit2: After closing and opening the application a few times, the socket bonus changed, but not to what I wanted it to. It's now showing a 6 stamina socket bonus instead of 4 hit rating.

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Old 03/06/08, 2:31 AM   #2685
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@Theras
Get this patch and extract it on top of the existing rawr folder. There was a problem with handling of web requests in certain cases in the previous build which has been fixed.

Edit - The network code related to fetching items/icons appears quite problematic currently. I'm only handling the Retribution model of Rawr, so I haven't looked much into the core parts. I'll try to build a complete item cache with all 2.4 items soon-ish.

Edit 2 - Go to the images folder and delete any image with size 0. The socket bonus issue is a bug and I'll pass it on.

Edit 3 - I removed the patch. I'll put up a fresh build v3 tomorrow with some fixes to avoid confusion.

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Old 03/06/08, 3:07 AM   #2686
 Theras
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Thanks, that solved my problem in exactly the way I hoped it would.

And don't worry about building a 2.4 item cache; I was actually making one for personal use and I'm about a third done, so I can PM you my ItemCache.xml when I'm done (probably tomorrow-ish).

Edit: Feature request time! The option to flag an item as rare, epic, or otherwise doesn't exist in the GUI, you need to edit the XML file directly. Is there any way we can get that somewhere in the item edit window?

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Old 03/06/08, 3:27 AM   #2687
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Since accuracy is the main concern for any such tool, I have a few questions regarding the maths.

I considered Blood frenzy in Crusader Strike calculations. The spreadsheet ignored blood frenzy for CS while it includes it for Windfury and White Damage. Is there a reason for that?

Partial/Full resists for Seals/Judgements :
Partial Resist : All seals and judgements are considered at 96% Partial Resist mitigation in the spreadsheet, not affected by spellhit. I want to get more information on how to arrive at this 96% figure.
Full Resist : Both JoB and JoC are considered to be fully resistable based on spellhit. There have been a lot of reported differences between the nature of JoB and JoC resists, but I can't remember if we ever came to a consensus.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 11:07 AM   #2688
 Anarkii
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Take a backup of itemcache.xml if you have added items manually and restore it on top of this
v3
-Converted Windfury(and Improved Windfury) into buffs. You can now see the contribution of Windfury directly in the DPS summary section and you can also compare windfury with other buffs in Comparison:All Buffs
-Fixed bugs with 2 Handed specialization which was causing DPS shown to be lower than it actually is.

Also, this build has overall better network code. Manually adding items that don't exist in armory can still be a pain sometimes, so you'll have to bear with that for now. Adding missing items which do exist on live servers is straightforward though.

Known Issues
- The correct stats of Cloak of Darkness is included in the itemcache, but if it refreshes from the armory, incorrect stats are shown. This is because the cloak includes "Improves melee critical strike rating by 24" instead of "Improves critical strike rating by 24", so the parser doesn't recognize it properly. Will be fixed later.
- Libram of Divine Judgement adds AP even if using SoB. Will be fixed later.
- Issues with socket bonuses if you duplicate an item and try to change the socket bonus.

Edit - See Retribution DPS Theorycraft on this page for the latest version

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Old 03/06/08, 1:52 PM   #2689
Diraphise
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Originally Posted by Shalymar View Post
Right now I don't see a way to limit what is being used, but you can change the gems to the blue ones.

Here is how you change that gems being used in the dps spread sheet. Find the tab which has the Macros section in it. I am using Office Excel 2007, so for me it is under the View tab on the top and the Macro section is all the way to the right. Click on view Macros and pick the macro “Socket_Str” from the list and click edit. This will bring up the Microsoft Visual Basic editor for this button. Here you can edit any of the gems and change for example the “10 Str” gem to the “8 Str” gem.

You can also edit the hit gems in the same manner by finding the macro which has the hit gems in them and click edit.

Good luck and I hope this helps.
That worked for me, thanks.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 2:21 PM   #2690
Lïnk
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For some reason it won't let me choose improved windfury. I don't have grace of air active so that shouldn't interfere w/ WF being put down. You know what the problem could be?
 
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Old 03/06/08, 2:34 PM   #2691
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I fixed it. At the last moment, I had changed both WF and Imp WF to weapon buffs, and only weapon buff can be active at a time. But you needed to check WF to enable Imp WF....so it was a vicious circle

I edited the attachment in the post above. Just a couple of minor fixes regarding Improved Windfury and Opacity of the Stat graph.
 
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Old 03/06/08, 4:33 PM   #2692
mickeyknox
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I haven't checked it yet since I'm at work still, but can you select both improved Windfury and improved Grace of Air for those lucky enough to have a shaman who actually twists them? :P
 
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Old 03/06/08, 4:57 PM   #2693
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Any way to manually add Executioner and Mongoose to the enchant list for main hand in Rwar?

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Old 03/06/08, 5:42 PM   #2694
Scorpiodrush
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Few Questions....

1. Can the Author of Rawr post the most updated version..(( NM found the link two posts up))

2. Whats best for a T5 content Ret pally with the World Breaker.
Mongoose, Savagery, or Executioner?

3. From an enchanter Ret Pally(tier 5 content), whats the Best Ring Enchant for dps (currently on a Retadin that is primarily warrior geared, and not geared for consecration.) +2melee damage on each ring, or +3 stats?

4. more Rawr Questions. Does Rawr take into account Windfury, Imp Windfury, Leader of the pack
I ask because our Melee dps often runs as a Rogue, Fury Warrior, Ret Pally, Enh Shammy and Feral dps druid. Why are Crystalforge shoulderguards not on the List? (maybe I need an item update?) This spurs from the fact that I don't see options for those buffs in my initial glance of the application.

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Old 03/06/08, 6:28 PM   #2695
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Originally Posted by Elloris View Post
Any way to manually add Executioner and Mongoose to the enchant list for main hand in Rwar?
Yes, go to the enchants tab and change it under the mainhand section.

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Old 03/06/08, 8:25 PM   #2696
Lïnk
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Mongoose and Executioner enchants are not listed as possible enchants for main hand weapons. I had downloaded the latest version of Rawr too. Can i add the enchant manually in any way?
 
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Old 03/06/08, 10:03 PM   #2697
 Anarkii
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I should really stop working on Rawr when I'm tired! I changed the buffs/enchants section to get only relevant stats, but mongoose and executioner don't have any in-built stats in it, so they weren't picked up. I reverted this change till I find a better workaround.
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File Type: zip Rawr.RetributionV0.03.zip (1.22 MB, 300 views)
 
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Old 03/06/08, 10:07 PM   #2698
 Anarkii
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Originally Posted by mickeyknox View Post
I haven't checked it yet since I'm at work still, but can you select both improved Windfury and improved Grace of Air for those lucky enough to have a shaman who actually twists them? :P
Yeah you can do that. I've included Windfury as a weapon buff while GoA is a totem.

@Scorpiodrush

Load up your gear then go to Comparisons:Enchants:Mainhand to see Mongoose vs Savagery vs Executioner. Leader of the Pack is the only buff not currently included. To be honest, since the feral druid(cat+bear) was already implemented in Rawr before I started on this, I was wondering if I'm missing something regarding LotP not being there. I didn't find anything however, so I'll add that soon. All other buffs should be working fine. Regarding Ring Enchants, I didn't implement Striking yet, but I think Stats is generally considered better.

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Old 03/06/08, 10:11 PM   #2699
Trakor
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Thanks for working on Rawr, I'm liking it so far. Just one thing, could you please add Leader of the pack buff in there?
 
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Old 03/06/08, 10:16 PM   #2700
Agonar
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Im wondering if anyone ran some number for comparing the new Crusader Strike Libram VS Libram Of Avengement in 2.4? If not, then ill know what to do tonight.
 
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