The rawr.exe just crashes for me Am i doing something wrong? Should I not have WoW open when doing it?

Even unbugged Avengement is better than the CS Libram in 2.4. If Avengement is still bugged(buff reapplied when refreshing judgements), nothing really comes close to it.

What error are you getting? Shouldn't have anything to do with WoW. .NET Framework 2.0 or above being installed is the only requirement

I was asked some questions about the stat graph, so just wanted to clarify briefly :
a) The origin in the graph is based on your current gear/enchants/buffs etc. So if you're hit capped, the hit line will be a flat horizontal one. Armor Penetration also tends to rise early because you'd normally have 4-5K combined ArP at X=0
b) The X axis scale is based on Itemization Points you further spend on a particular stat. The Y axis is the DPS increase. The number of itemization points further spent on a stat will be 10*X. So, say, ArP overtakes Strength at X=25. That'd mean spending 250 more itemization points to get to that point, or 250*6.67= ~1667 more Armor Penetration.
c) I'm aware of the size issues of the graph window on lower resolutions. I've changed the window to being sizeable in the next release, and I might look at making the graph scale to the user's current resolution in the future.

Again, thanks for all the bug reports and such.

Hm, is there a way to not get other classes' tier sets when looking for upgrades? I'm getting the rogue T5 leggings as an upgrade for my current ones... Yeah, they may very well be, but I don't really care. :-)

I found some issues with the latest build of the Rawr application.

#1 When I download the program, pull my equipment over from the Armory, save it, then selected either:

Tools->Update Item Cache
Or
Tools->Load Possible Upgrades From Armory


I get this error message

Which I do. It appears the application goes into an infinite loop. I clicked the ok box but the error box reappeared with the same message. I had to go through the windows task manager to kill the application and restart it.

#2 On the Stat screen, the “Weapon Damage:” value is blank. I don’t know if you were planning on listing a value here.

#3 When I view my Stormherald, I noticed on the Item Editor screen under speed of the weapon it said 4. I tried to change this to 3.80 and the only options I found were whole numbers, 1,2,3,4, etc.


Suggestion:

When you have time, I know you are working hard on getting this tool ready for us, would it be possible to upgrade the tier sets, the pvp armor and any other items that will be upgraded in the 2.4 patch to the latest stats or add a toggle which will allow us to compare the changes from the live server to the patch server?

Thanks for the reports.
@gcbirzan : There's no way to do that right now, and I know it's annoying to have items we can't use in the list. If you're using Rawr only for Retribution you can just right click the item and delete it from the cache. This feature will be implemented in the next major Rawr release, since it affects all models and it's not something I should handle specifically for the retribution module.

Shalymar : The itemcache included with the download includes some 2.4 items which don't exist in the armory. When trying to update those items from the armory, it gives an error each time it fails to load the data for a particular item. So it's not actually an infinite loop, but you'll get the error too many times. Just stay away from using those two features till we find a better way around this.

I've kept the weapon damage part blank for now because I wasn't sure if I want to display the base weapon damage+bonuses from enchants(like striking) or the weapon damage modified by attack power. I may end up removing it altogether, since it doesn't really serve much purpose.

The speed value is a problem with the Item Editor. Internally, the speed is correctly taken as 3.8, but the particular field in the item editor converts the speed to 4. This will be fixed.

Regarding updating items to 2.4 values, yeah building a complete 2.4 itemcache is the main thing left right now apart from bug fixes. But it's really messy to have multiple versions of certain items(like tier sets). I'll see what I can do.

I'll see whatsup with that and put up another build soon including other changes

I have a completed 2.4 ItemCache.xml, I'm just not at home to post it right now. I'll get a copy to you in a few hours.

Nice. I was dreading the prospect of adding each of them manually.

Two things. In the character stats, hit rating and crit rating are +hit chance and crit chance. Weapon damage is missing.

Also, the hit rating/chance is different from what the Blizzard UI says. It's generally under .1 more than what Blizzard says. Didn't do much testing though, will do more testing when I get home if you still need.

Yeah there's a minor issue with converting the hit rating to %, it has been fixed and will be there in the next build.

I'm getting an interesting error message even though the Armory is currently up. It seems to be happening on both my laptop and desktop.

The armory doesn't seem to show the character you asked for(assuming it was Faelir@US-Kalecgos). The World of Warcraft Armory doesn't show any character.

And Theras, thanks a lot for the itemcache. I'll run some tests with it using the latest build and put it up soon

New version!

- Almost complete 2.4 Item Cache(thanks to Theras)
- LotP added
- Minor Problem with Hit Rating fixed
- The weapon damage label now shows your weapon damage modified by Attack Power, 2H specialization and Imp Sanc Aura, if selected. This doesn't serve a lot of purpose, but should be the same as the weapon damage shown ingame.
- Labels added to the stat graph to indicate X and Y axis
- Various minor bug fixes

Please note that since a lot of the items in the cache don't exist in the armory, or have different stats(Tiers etc), using the Update Item Cache feature or such isn't recommended.

And people for whom Rawr.exe crashed earlier -- can you try this build? Just make sure you have .NET Framework 2.0 (or above) and give this another go.

Edit : New version posted. Look 3 posts below.

Two quick questions:

In a raid, if I can only keep one judgement up for whaterver reason (lack of paladins, can't get other pallys to judge) should it be JoW, or JotC. I tend to go with JoW, as 120mp5 seems a lot more important (especially to myself). However, I'm not really sure how badly other classes run oom, and JotC can save those tragic 2% wipe situations.

And is there any way to make my judge/reseal macro have a 9 second timer on it? I sometimes find myself pressing it too soon, wasting mana and a gcd just putting SoB back up, which is annoying.

I have a question about the Libram of Righteous Power. It's going from adding 18 damage to Crusader Strike, to 36 damage to Crusader Strike. Is that going to make it better than the Libram of Avengement or the Libram of Divine Judgement?

Coming back to the core modeling, does anyone really think having a mana gain and expenditure model in Rawr will help a lot? Personally, I never have mana problems(on a target with JoW up) unless I spam max rank consecration, or it's a fight with mana burns(Kaz/Mother). But I realize it may be different for alliance paladins.

Currently developing this part is on the horizon, but I'm giving it lower priority than other bug fixes/feature enhancements.

same error again :/

.NET Framework 2.0 is installed



any other programs that must be installed? Service Pack2 ?

Really good job, much apreciated. Btw, Cloak of Darkness is missing his crit, making it to be much worst when is actually close to best in slot.

Keep the good work!

Yeah I posted about Cloak of Darkness a day or two back. It is because of its irregular tooltip ' Improves melee critical strike rating' instead of ' Improves critical strike rating'. For now, right click and edit it manually and set the Crit to 24. I'll fix it later.

Depends on the fight in my opinion.

If it's a farm raid, may as well stick to JoW and save a few mana pots for the raid, in particular if it's a long fight.

Or a shorter fight, or a progression raid, stick to JotC for the 3% crit for everyone.

Not normally an issue I encounter myself to be honest, at least 3 Paladin's in every raid for us, the Holy guys always do a Wisdom and a Light.

same error with the version you send me per pm @anarkii