Retribution DPS Theorycraft - Page 110

Feanortm · 01/23/08, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by CrK

Sorry, you'll think im a noob but I play in spanish so i dont know in the table whats GDC when youre talking about rotations.

Thk anoyone who can tell me

GCD is Global Cooldown, a 1.5 second period after you use a spell. You cannot cast other spells in that period (hence the cooldown name).

ariesz · 01/23/08, 11:10 PM

can anyone show where swiftsteel shoulders rank in the item calc portion as i cant do a user inputed item it just crashes.

It ranks them currently below everything and i think they are really good, and it doesnt show that they are.

Arienal · 01/23/08, 11:34 PM

Would anyone be able to check out my gear, talent specc and offer me any advice about either?
Some of my items are limited by bad luck in drops, and I`m working towards the crafted Bsing swords.
Mostly curious about my talent specc, and what i can change about it.
I`m only really concerned with PvE at the moment and while I do arena it is not really very seriously.

whut. · 01/23/08, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Arienal

Would anyone be able to check out my gear, talent specc and offer me any advice about either?
Some of my items are limited by bad luck in drops, and I`m working towards the crafted Bsing swords.
Mostly curious about my talent specc, and what i can change about it.
I`m only really concerned with PvE at the moment and while I do arena it is not really very seriously.

Season 3 ret gloves are currently the best in the game. You need to go pick these up, also work on getting the Heroic BF libram, or at least something you can get a benefit from.

I'm hoping you're not using SoC as a BE for PvE DPS.

pvita · 01/24/08, 4:22 AM

@Bellator: As I was playing with gear in spreadsheet, I think it would be nice if you could include WE racials in it. If I as human use Sword or Mace, I should have get 5 Expertise points.

@all: I wonder about [Darkmoon Card: Crusade]. Many fights today needs me to run away, stop hitting for some time etc. Do not you have problems from loosing buffs stacks? Do you use it situationally only at fights without hit interruptions?

Antiock · 01/24/08, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by pvita

@all: I wonder about [Darkmoon Card: Crusade]. Many fights today needs me to run away, stop hitting for some time etc. Do not you have problems from loosing buffs stacks? Do you use it situationally only at fights without hit interruptions?

This is definitely a significant problem with it. I recommend having a backup trinket for the fights where you know you're not going to be able to keep it stacked up. Those 10 seconds go by fast.

Carpathia · 01/24/08, 8:13 AM

Originally Posted by pvita

If I as human use Sword or Mace, I should have get 5 Expertise points.

You can also manually add the WE racial. Just change the value of WE at Base Information (L17) to 5 if a sword or mace is equiped.

Avitus · 01/24/08, 10:08 AM

Hmmm a small option at the top to select which race and have the correct base stats + racials reflected would be great.

Saltycracker · 01/24/08, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Carpathia

You can also manually add the WE racial. Just change the value of WE at Base Information (L17) to 5 if a sword or mace is equiped.

If you add 5 to the front page, it will keep that extra 5 expertise for all weapons and not help when you are trying to compare say an axe to a sword. What I have done is go to Format -> Sheet -> Unhide and unhide the DPS sheet. What you can do is go down to the weapons section and add 20 exp rating to all the maces and swords. This will carry over to running the gear comparison say if you are comparing soul cleaver to a s3 mace or whatever.

Hope this helps =)

Sorry · 01/24/08, 1:16 PM

I'm currently not raiding and our enhancement shaman left for other shores and I've been been offered his spot for my shaman alt. Now my problem is that I'd like to start raiding again but I was waiting for a spot for my ret paladin into who I put a lot of time already.
I was wondering whether I could have a point in arguing with more raid utility with the paladin than the shaman.
So long story short, for a raidgroup with neither a ret paladin nor an enhancement shaman, which class would be more beneficial to the raid?

What do you think?

Seventity · 01/24/08, 2:34 PM

I have a question, one thing popped few days ago on my guild forum, where they were trying to make best possible 25-man group setup. In their idea for max raid dps, it's better to have a warrior/enh/druid/rogue/rogue in meele group instead of warrior/enh/druid/ret/rogue. According to their plan, retribution paladin is placed in tank group with BM hunter and another feral druid.

Can anyone confirm that such setup will provide more benefit for overall raid dps considering similar level of gear for everyone?

Saltycracker · 01/24/08, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sorry

I'm currently not raiding and our enhancement shaman left for other shores and I've been been offered his spot for my shaman alt. Now my problem is that I'd like to start raiding again but I was waiting for a spot for my ret paladin into who I put a lot of time already.
I was wondering whether I could have a point in arguing with more raid utility with the paladin than the shaman.
So long story short, for a raidgroup with neither a ret paladin nor an enhancement shaman, which class would be more beneficial to the raid?

What do you think?

Well here are the benefits of both:

Ret Paladin:
Raid: Boss Judgements: Mana, Health, Crit
Raid: Extra Blessing
Group: +dmg aura
Raid: Emergency Lay on Hands
Wipe Protection: Divine Intervention

Shaman:
Group Totem buffs
Group Unleashed Rage
Group Heroism/Bloodrage
Wipe Protection: Ankh

I would lean towards bringing a Retpally simply because their skills enhance the total raid more than a shammy. Now, your personal DPS as well as the DPS of the melee is going to be severely nerfed due to the lack of WF and totems. It depends if your raid has better geared casters than melee I suppose. Shamans and Paladins are both support classes.

Ayreon · 01/24/08, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sorry

I'm currently not raiding and our enhancement shaman left for other shores and I've been been offered his spot for my shaman alt. Now my problem is that I'd like to start raiding again but I was waiting for a spot for my ret paladin into who I put a lot of time already.
I was wondering whether I could have a point in arguing with more raid utility with the paladin than the shaman.
So long story short, for a raidgroup with neither a ret paladin nor an enhancement shaman, which class would be more beneficial to the raid?

What do you think?

The enhancement shaman.

Just WF for melee blows anything a paladin can provide out of the water, including the (very often not applicable) 3 judgements on a boss.

Antiock · 01/24/08, 5:06 PM

I think you guys are ignoring the fact that a shaman doesn't have to be enhancement to drop windfury and strength totems.

Granted, its not quite ideal to have a resto shaman in the melee group, but if his mana tide isn't needed elsewhere, all you're really losing by him not being enhancement is Unleashed Rage. Plus, what if there's only one or two other paladins in the raid? I've often found that having less than 3 paladins in a raid can be a problem with regard to blessings.

My point is just that if you have to choose between an enhancement shaman and retribution paladin, I think it would help to know how many other paladins/shamans there are in the raid.

xellos · 01/24/08, 5:53 PM

Originally Posted by Seventity

I have a question, one thing popped few days ago on my guild forum, where they were trying to make best possible 25-man group setup. In their idea for max raid dps, it's better to have a warrior/enh/druid/rogue/rogue in meele group instead of warrior/enh/druid/ret/rogue. According to their plan, retribution paladin is placed in tank group with BM hunter and another feral druid.

Can anyone confirm that such setup will provide more benefit for overall raid dps considering similar level of gear for everyone?

There was a post made by madmardigan somewhere back in this thread doing the math. The result was that a ret paladin not in the melee group had to do 65% of a non-melee group rogue's damage in order to break even. So if your rogue vastly outplays/outgears your ret paladin then it'd be better to put him in the melee group instead. But if your ret paladin is that bad, then he shouldn't be in the raid at all.