Uhh, no? DST is the best trinket in the game for cats, too. DST's godlike for tons of classes/specs.

If this was in reference to the class indicated to the left, I was refering to a paladin alt of mine. Not "me" as in Driveshaft. Apologies if I confused anyone.

Besides, Driveshaft is a tank. The only way I'd roll on a DST is if nobody else wanted it.

I'd love to see numbers on that, haste does a hell of a lot more for someone with a 3.5+ speed weapon, than it does for a cat with a 1.0 speed weapon.



Yeah, it's absolutely insane for hunters and (BE) paladins, they both have no upgrade from DST currently. I can't say I know that rogues/warriors are in the same boat as the aforementioned, but I'm positive cats aren't.

Percent increases give the same % benefit to all weapon speeds. The math is very thorough. Rawr - Release: Rawr b12.1

DST has no upgrade for cats. I'm wondering if you're just trolling.

Well that depends on situation. Warriors in the T6 non set pieces can have obscene ammounts of pure avoid + miss, and have real rage & threat issues. This is the case for my guild at current. Last mother our MT got some "lucky" rolls and ended up with 85% total avoidance for the fight. If it wern't for gimpy SR gear, every DPS would have been threat capped easily. Not a tanking thread, I know, just wanted to point out the eventual downside of too much avoidance.

This depends on your progression level of your guild and server, but one thing people in my guild have started doing, is running PUG Gruul's, with DST being reserved for the organizer of the raid. Having one or 2 of your Main raiding tanks come helps quite a bit with this. Once that person gets it, another takes over. I will probably be running the next series.

Actually as a Human you will have a bit of extra expertise from the trinket but not enough to devalue it. I'm still going to be rocking a SoC as soon as possible.

This is wrong, because while DST is very good the [Shard of Contempt] beats it quite easily (if you aren't capped already) by a fairly large margin.

True enough now that 2.4 is out. I'm just tired of this useless discussion over who makes the best use of the DST.

Is there a permalink to the latest and greatest RAWR distribution that I can link to on my site?

It's a really great tool that I would love to share easily with my guild, and some others.

The latest release of Rawr, b12.1, doesn't include Ret support. I'm guessing that it'll be in b13, which will be in a week or two. Otherwise, Anarkii, didn't you release a copy at some point in the last couple weeks that included your current development version? Or are people just getting it from source control and building it themselves (which everyone is perfectly welcome to do, of course)?

No, there's a link to a debug build and there's an updated items file - I was just looking for something I could link to in order to pass it along and for updates. I'm running it with no issues. (Once I figured out I could duplicate items and change their gems).

I can link the post I got it from, and then the post where the items are updated, but that's not really the best practice.

You have a itemcache.xml with the 2.4 changes?

Edit: I found this post http://elitistjerks.com/667452-post2713.html - is there any newer 2.4 item files floating about?

It is also the best DPS trinket in game for druids I believe. Edit, beaten.

I hope they fix the skin on the Sunwell T6 ret items (wrist/belt/boots).

Last I checked (PTR), they were the same light golden color of the healer/prot parts, while all our sunwell gear (which we share with warriors) is the dark color that fits with the warrior T6 wrist/belt/boots.

Pretty lame to have a matching set and then odd bright boots/belt.

I think the coloring is done by class (pally type gear gets gold, warriors get blue), so I won't be astonished that it is so ugly.

Yep. Yet the classless plate dps set fits the warrior colors, hence the need for a fix.

That's what I'm using. I've had to add maybe one or two pieces from heroic Terrace, but otherwise it has pretty much anything I've needed on it.

Quick question. I have gotten fel rage my fair share, and I have never gotten to use avenging wrath during a fel rage. Does anyone else have this issue?

It makes you immune to Forbearance. So you can't gain BoP, Divine Shield or Avenging Wrath during Fel Rage.

Just a heads up, I picked up a [Shivering Felspine] yesterday. It dropped off Kalecgos trash, and its a very nice upgrade over the Torch. I haven't been able to test it on a pure burn fight yet such as Teron, but it certainly feels like the 2nd best BE ret weapon in the game

You are two trash pulls from a burn fight once you get Kalecgos down. It's amongst the better BE weapons, with Apolyon and the brutal gladiator weapons taking the lead (maybe one more too that I'm forgetting)

Isn't the Badge Axe of Harbingers supposed to be better?