You're calculating the number of attacks wrongly. Just considering the 'Hits' column isn't accurate since WWS uses that figure to represent Normal+Glancing, and it doesn't include Crits. You have to manually add crits and hits for each of the skills.

That said JoW certainly has been well above 50% after 2.4

Oh I see, thank for the clarification.

As an Alliance Paladin, your Shaman is providing 1% more spell hit. Also, Exorcism is capable of crits, whereas Consecration is not. Even ignoring those, it remains better DPM, making it a more effective spell to use if you are mana limited rather than time limited (as Ret Paladins tend to be).

If you are maximizing DPS though (i.e. Brut, the entire topic of this discussion) Consecration is hands down better. If you are going to prioritize between the two Consecration should be higher than Exorcism on a DPS fight, Exorcism higher than Consecration on a longevity fight.

Sorry, I got my wires crossed on my way out the door today. The faulty combat log issue was the fact that the first tick of Consecration doesn't actually full resist like the log indicates. So spell hit and consecration don't interact whatsoever.

Hi guys,

An aggro related question here. Since I've outfitted myself with the SSO rep necklance of might (scryer version
) and the badge reward Blade of the Hargbringers, I find myself drawing aggro like crazy.

I'm wondering if this is due to
1) Me being an absolute shit player, or
2) My improved dps and subsequent threat generation is overwhelming my tanks' ability to generate aggro, or
3) There are issues with the Arcane Bolt that the necklace shoot out or my new axe, or
4) All of the above, or
5) None of the above

As all good dps, I wait for the tanks to draw a bit of aggro before going in and have salv on me. This works all fine before when I wield a Lionheart Executioner and Pendant of the Perilous. I had no issues with drawing aggro.

However now strange things are happening. A good example is last night mid-way through a fight with Hydross. I drew aggro somehow and was killed. I was then battle-rezzed, following which I slap a salv on me and with no other buffs went to dps. Surprise surprise I was way down on Omen when suddenly Hydross decided to turn around and give me a good smack.

Any of you guys experiencing the same thing? Or should i go back to wow pre-school?

Hm, I never use salv on myself, i always have might and have no trouble. I'm using the lionheart exe and the SSO rep neck, scryer. The other retadin in the guild jsut picked up the Blade, and has cloak of fiends, etc, and hes only taken off .15 sec of swing time, and picked up a good amount of weapon damage of course; overall, the differences arent that large. Sounds like a bug in the hydross fight perhaps, or like above, it could be on transition.

It is not during transition... far from it in fact. Going to check in detail again tonight and hopefully the same stuff doesn't happen... yeah and I am probably a bit too well-geared for some of our tanks.. bit of a pain really

I'm not sure how well geared your tanks are, but your own gear level is rather high for early SSC. This combined with tanks wearing resist gear (and thus probably producing less threat) will give you a much better chance of being threat-limited than you'd normally expect.

As for Omen not properly indicating your relative threat level, this may simply be the new threat library not handling the transitions properly either.

Saabik, I was wondering if your shaman was twisting during the fight or if they stuck with WF and went to town?

Quick question regarding dps gear with int on it. Has anyone come up with some sort of numerical rating system to show the worth of intellect plate vs. non-int plate? Considering I've just recently gained access to tier 6 gear, and due to my low dkp, I won't be able to grab any t6 for a bit so my mana pool kinda concerns me.

Now I use bellator's and rawr consistently and they are excellent tools, but the only attention paid to intellect is in bellator's where it shows you how long till you go OOM. I'm basically looking for some sort of guideline as to how much intellect it would be worth giving up 1dps for.

For instance, [Belt of Seething Fury] vs. [Girdle of the Lightbearer]. There is a dps decrease going from seething to lightbearer but its small and the lightbearer has intellect which can increase your longevity.

If nobody has come up with some sort of equivalent rating for this is there a number i should shoot for in regards to bellator's "time until OOM."

Only reason I even bring this up is because I'm curious if there's a point to go for this gear. Like if you got enough mana could you switch from chaining mana pots to chaining haste pots? Would the dps increase from changing the pots you chain account for the dps you lose from wearing int gear instead of pure dps gear?

I generally just equate 10 intellect to 1 dps when comparing. It's kind of arbitrary, but I like not worrying about running out of mana.

Also, you might want to consider mail items. [Valestalker Girdle] is better than both of the belts you linked AND has intellect!

Good point there I didn't consider mail too much but that's a very good example. Thanks!

My shaman was indeed twisting. He is using an elemental/enhance spec, running with a 5 second shock. His twisting rotation was based on storm strike, using reset = 9. I'm as familiar with WF totem uptime as I would like to be, but I believe it to be 100% or close to, and GOA having ~90% uptime.

After looking at my stats, I'll be using a Judge->SoB macro next time and completely ignore command all together. With the haste rating the GCD wasn't available to do any benefit from seal twisting, in fact, it hurt me. I missed about 10 swings worth of SoB. I should hit ~2k personal DPS doing this next week.

You should definitely consider mail. A number of the pieces have intellect and high agility in conjunction with crit rating. In my case, I wear the mail chest from Archi and the shoulders from Akama. Our hunters want T6 chest and the BM shoulders so it was easy to pick these up. The mail pieces yield lower AP (no str on them) but enormously more crit (and additional crit from Kings because they actually have Agi on them). For example, the mail chest is 3.8% crit (or so) when buffed with kings compared to plate pieces that would yield 25-30 more AP and in excess of 1.5% less crit.

Ive been trying to follow Bellators more closely (now that i finally got it to work with scripts) but I have ran into some strange things lately. I am hitcapped atm, 109 hit rating if i use the Red Belt of battle. 95 if I use the Girdle of the lightbringer. There are 3 strange pieces that say they are upgrades for me but I would swear for a hit capped warrior would be downgrades.

Red belt of battle VS Girdle of the Lightbringer
Blood Stained pauldrons VS Tier 6 shoulders
Bracers of Eradication vs Furious Shackles
I havent been able to figure this out is there something I am missing on the 3 left pieces that do make them all superior for a hit capped ret pally?

Edit- Noticed something pre-raid after a fe wupgrades and regemming of gear I somehow lost my meta gem working and that is probably why my dps has gone screwy.

Heh thanks. Got a few ideas now of what to go for now that I realized my mistake there, Legplates of unending fury, Target the belt of seething fury but if that doesnt work then get snag the Girdle of seething rage Will probably tie me over till we kill Illidan.

If you become hit capped (quite possible with a lot of BT/hyjal plate), I highly recommend legplates of divine retribution.

I've never been a huge fan of armor pen, personally. I've been playing around with all the new sunwell gear, and just by comparing stats Haste seems to spank armor pen pretty bad. Can't argue with your brutallus results however, thats pretty impressive. Did you get 1 or 2 bloodlusts? I do about 1850 with one.

I did recently acquire the legplates of divine retribution. I am hit capped on my own atm as well as considering we ended up with a non-planned moonkin in the raid giving more +hit.

We are not trying to maximize DPS, we are trying to maximize total damage done. It is very possible to run completely out of mana on a 6 minute fight like Brutallus. Given that you can use all your mana, you will want to convert your mana into damage as efficiently as possible, while still using all of it up during the fight.

So the real question is maximizing the amount of damage you can convert your mana pool into during a fight of known length. Comparing DPS numbers in a vacuum does not give us an appropriate answer to that question.

I wasn't too big a fan of armor pen either, nor am I at the moment. What led me to stack it was having a CE and LoDR, giving a good 650+ head start. I didn't have any amazing haste gear available so I started dropping hit where I could for more amor pen. I'm sitting at 1224 pre executioner, and it does pretty well at these levels. However, haste will become a primary stat as it sits on all the plate gear. I imagine I'll be getting most of this gear over our blood frenzy warrior as well, since the haste benefits me much more and I'm doing the same if not more personal DPS.


I had 2 bloodlusts.