akdjr

I'm not so sure about seal twisting as a viable PvE dps cycle. Assuming you managed to perfect the cycle and never mistime your casts of SoB and SoC, you will be expending about 85 mana per second (500 mana or so every 6 seconds using CS, rank 1 SoC, and SoB). My buffed mana pool is around 6500 at the moment, which means I'd be OOM in about 1 minute. Even less with Sunwell gear. A 2400 mana potion gives you around 28 more seconds of the cycle. This certainly does not seem viable to me, even with judgement of wisdom on the target, but this is only at first glance with some very rough math.

Now assuming mana is not an issue, there is still the factor of latency and how easy it can be to mess up the cycle depending on various boss mechanics/movement. I'm hoping some of the other posters here with more experience modeling dps cycles will chime in their thoughts on this. Personally, it doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

Sterlin

Something is wrong with macros

Avitus Castsequence macro isn't working?

what is up?

Never mind ... I first thought it was a bug with 2.4.2 , but it started to work again after Akima ... LOL

 

Meuble

Thyvene on french boards: We don't plan to change the paladin racials, despite the opinion of players on that subject.

loloutch. No SoB guys :/



Edit: Well, I couldn't agree more, but it pretty much seems to be blizz politics there. "See, we put this carrot on a stick and, well, you're gonna pay us to chase it. For months dude. For freaking months".

And that's "just" pve.. /sigh

 

• Avitus

I'm willing to bet the reason they're not doing this is because they are either planning to either share the seals right before WOTLK or give a superior seal to replace both SoC and SoB in the level 80 ret tree.

What they fail to realize is that as much as that will be nice then, it's no excuse to let us hanging throughout all of Sunwell and the remainder of TBC.

 

Bellvm

The new update has just granted Crusder Strike an ability to have have 40% more damage when Seal of the Crusader is active.

Does anyone have any data to know if the extra 40% is included in the critical strike chance of Crusader Strike?

And has anyone looked at the dps cycles spread sheet to know if a new combination will be efficient?

I have started using Consecration, Seal of the Crusader, Crusader Strike, Seal of Command, Judgement, and then repeat the cycle.

 

• Zurm

Just as a heads up, I have modeled WF proccing off SoC as requested, Rawr 14.1 should be released shortly with many of the fixes requested (some are out of my hands, and the filtered buff list I need more time with).

 

dr303

Im raiding as retribution paladin, have rather decent gear
The World of Warcraft Armory

Problem is that i cant get over 600 dps, im not sure im doing all things right.
Is there like a uber way to increase dps with a good macro or something.

Please help me become a high dps'er

Im thinking of upgrading my hammer to the blade of harbingers to improve dps but
im not sure that will help me shoot up in the dps list.

Any ideas welcome

 

• Zurm

With that gear, even without a DPS group 800 dps should be easy enough to get. Are you using a judge/reseal macro?

 

CaptBooyah

I imagine the axe will be around 80 dps increase for you.. s3 gloves will also be a huge upgrade =P

Check out the dps cycles on front page and try to keep that rotation as tight as possible...

Other than that, without a shaman in group to drop WF totems, prepare to be mediocre for a while longer... oh yeh, complain to blizzard about not getting a good ret seal

Spout! Get in the water!

 

dr303

Ive been using this one click macro (dont have access to the macro here but it was a really long macro with judgements and reseals and CS). If it will help ill post what macro i have when i get home

 

• frmorrison

For melee dps classes, a weapon is usually the best upgrade, your case is no exception.

Use consumables, such as 20 hit/strength food (hit is better until 94 hit rating on bosses), use some sort of Battle elixir or Flask, use mana potions, and if you don't have Windfury remember to temp enchant your weapon with something. The adamanite stones should work best, and anything on your weapon is better than nothing.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

 

dr303

im using this spam click macro

/castsequence reset=target Crusader Strike, Seal of Command, Judgement, Seal of Command, Judgement, Seal of Command, Crusader Strike, Judgement, Seal of Command, Judgement, Seal of Command

is this totally crap or very good dps macro?

 

Gevlin

Its total crap. You have 2 judgements between Crusader Strikes first off, even though Judgement is an 8s CD and CS is 6secs? Make a /cast Judgement /cast Seal of Command macro and then you can be a 2 button dpser instead of just one.....while doing close to 200 dps more.

 

• Zurm

You know, with all the ninja buffs and perks SoC has, I'm not even sure its that much worse than SoB anymore. I was looking at the dps change adding in the WF proccing off SoC (yes avitus, I got your forum PM and fixed it), and I have to say the dps difference is quickly shrinking, not to mention the fact that extra JoW procs off SoC means way more mana for you guys.

I should start a movement to QQ about SoC

 

Gevlin

Yeah, and Spiritual Attunement doesn't give mana back right? Each seal has a benefit there. And what about when you don't get WF? All these so-called "ninja buffs" to SoC don't even matter. I don't think mathematically there is anyway for SoC to be on par with SoB unless they change the way it scales (or doesn't) with haste...i.e. not going to happen.

 

dr303

Gevlin:

Soz for being noobish but is that the only thing i need in those macros, coz im not a wizz on macros, the last one i got from a friend could u possibly write down each macros and how i really should use it

thanks in advance

 

Shalymar

Looking at the Rawr v14, the ranged item shows the “Libram of Divine Judgement” as the best item for this slot even though I selected Seal of Blood under options. I take it this is a bug.

 

Gevlin

I use two macros.

Judgement:
/cast Judgement
/cast Seal of Command

Crusader Strike:
/startattack
/cast Crusader Strike

I then have Consecrate Rank 1,4,and 6 bound, and max rank Exorcism and work those into my rotation as the situation and mana allows. I'm not going to get into dps cycles because they have been covered EXTENSIVELY in this thread. One button macros are for hunters and lazy players. Don't use them.

 

dr303

lol, thanks alot mate and all the other feedbacks i got

 

• Zurm

Fixed. Your original post left no distinction, hunters and lazy are synonomous.

 

Gevlin

That is a more than valid point Zurm.

While I'm around for now hanging out, I was wondering if anybody has considered foregoing Drums of Battle the 30s prior to Heroism, and instead stacking Drums of Battle and Drums of War with Heroism.

 

• Zurm

Doubtful. Most classes pop cooldowns during bloodlust, meaning more haste would further empower those cooldowns. I can't think of a situation in SWP at this point where Drums of War would ever beat Drums of Battle.

 

Gevlin

What classes have a fixed scaling ability they burn? Very few people at your/our gear level use "on use" items. Everything people pop are % modifiers (Deathwish, Avenging Wrath, etc). I suppose, however, that just at a base full buff, that extra 80 haste will always be greater than another 60 ap.

 

• Zurm

Without writing a mathematical proof, I'm going to try to explain this. Bloodlust is simply a haste effect. Generally speaking, in bloodlust a damage increasing buff will be more useful than another haste buff, because the haste buffs don't stack per se, but rather add. However, when you have the option of both, using something like AW is such a significant damage increase by default that another 60 ap (less than 80 after AW) will stil not be as good as 80 more haste at 30% damage.

Makes sense? I suppose at some point I could do the math, but in my mind there is no way that kind of stacking you suggested would yield more dps... at least for a blood elf. Might be different for alliance but you have to keep in mind its probably still better to get Drums of Battle for the rogues and warriors.

 

• frmorrison

The damage from Blood is pretty low and in raids you likely are getting JoL to heal you (which doesn't proc attunement). The extra JoW procs from Command is better than the the extra healing gained from using Blood.

If a Ret Pally doesn't have WF, it is better to drop the Pally for another dps class, it is a lot of dps lost.


Buffs to SoC do matter, since Alliance is not getting a new Seal or a new Seal until Wrath.

DK - Ashbane Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.