From what I could tell, World Breaker has a flat chance to proc from White, SoC, JoC, and CS.

The buff still fades, but you can get extra attacks in before it does.

Ok, I FINALLY managed to get a proper and running english version of the ptr, I'll start gathering data asap.

However, I'm less and less convinced about the utility of gathering flat white auto attacks to compare the 3 enchants, since the proc-based ones can proc of JoC and SoC (that's quite crazy btw).
Stop me from wrong, but considering this, it really looks like Savagery would be advantaged by the fact that I will just auto attack... Unless it's granted that Mongooze and Exec are ppm and will not proc, no matter what, more than X times in a minut. Wich I don't believe to be true.

Anyway, starting tests with savagery / exec. Mongooze might have to wait a bit.

Yes, ofc savagery will be advantaged over mongoose if you just use aute attack, but by using auto-attack alone to gather data it allows you to gather a base ppm of mongoose etc from which you can then calculate effective ppm/uptime/dps increase in any circumctance.

If would ofc be worth checking to see if mongoose/executioner can proc from SoC/JoC/CS/WF etc

Has anyone tested +40spelldmg, or am I just so unfamiliar with retribution spec that it seems possible enchant for me?

compared to AP, +dmg has a very small effect on dps. Thus savagery beats +40spelldmg enchant hands down.

Ok, so I've actually got 2 different questions, though they are both about CS.

1) I can't remember if this was covered earlier in the thread or not, and I tried looking for it to double-check before posting this, but couldn't find it. If you're using SoR, does CS proc SoR? Seeing as how SoR is a 100% "proc" rate, would CS include a SoR proc?

and

2) Say you have the Battlemaster enchant on your weapon, which is a chance on hit to heal you and your party for roughly 200-400 damage (not sure on the actual numbers, sorry), would CS proc that enchant?

So I just got this link from my brother, so I dont really know the source, but it does look pretty damn sweet, hopefully it's actually true too.

Too tired to ask / check, so I'll just post the link here and head to bed.

New stats on the S3 set;
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I can confirm the change, Im currently at EU PTR.

Is it just me or did they nerf the parts that had armor penetration? I mean.. 13 str vs 84 penetration & 23 spell dmg for example.

We will most likely see some conversion talent soon. It would be rather odd to see your gear giving you zero improvement to JoC for example.

Woah, they removed all the spell damage? I thought they were just reverting the SD back to how much was on the Season 2 gear.

This must either mean we're getting free damage or they haven't fully itemized the new season 3 set. It should be interesting to see how this pans out.

Something is going to change for paladins at a very low level I believe. Blizzard want us using Judgements - that much is clear from their itemization for us, as they consider them the defining attack of the class. I would say put your theorycraft on hold for a while because I don't think it's going to be relevant soon.

Putting these revised items into the spreadsheet. In terms of dps, the gloves and chest are increased. The gloves still being the best in game, and the chest being best in game if you are already hit capped. The other 3 pieces show a minor reduction in dps or no change compared to the old S3 and land themselves around low end tier 5 level.

But as has been said, this does seem to suggest two possible changes are on the way:-
1) Some sort of conversion as cromfel suggested
2) Re-itemisation of pve gear in a similar vein to S3 gear (since if 1) is true any +dmg plate is useless compared to str)

However, and i hate to say this but if they did give us the shaman mental quickness ability which seems the easiest and thus most likely option i feel it would be a mistake.

I put mental quickness into my model and it showed (for gear ranging from blues to top end tier6) a close to 20% dps increase. Combined with the dps increase we have already seen this will mean a dps increase from 2.2->2.3 of about 36-37%.

Looking at something like Wow Web Stats which is probably the max a paladin can do atm adding 36% to his dps would put him fighting with the rogues etc for top dps. You could almost justify his place in the raid without utility. Whilst i'd absolutely love this, i do feel i would be a little unbalancing

Speaking of which, Bellator you don't have a page or so where you post your spreadsheets? Using v17 and don't know if it's the last

I just use this thread to host the file (to avoid too many paladin threads). It's hosted in the first post by cromfel, but i see it is a little out of date. Latest version is 18 which can be found:-

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Cromfel, mind updating your original post with this. Cheers.

Its updated now. Just give me PM or post here with request to update and I will edit the OP asap.

The removal of spell damage from Arena S3 gear makes me reconsider my two points in Imp. Judgement. I guess I could end up fitting a few points of PoJ in my build after all!

I think it's too early to think like that Prepared. That change won't go (imho at least) without a change to our template or globally our SD dependancy. Wait and see!

Try checking it with a slightly lower conversion ratio, maybe 15% or 20%.

exciting!

Today in guild we have a discussion about the best end game 2h for a ret pally..

Cataclysm edge or Torch of the damned?

Torch of the damned would probably be better because armor ignorance only affects a portion of our damage.