Retribution DPS Theorycraft - Page 212

CHaoTiCTeX · 04/05/08, 12:49 AM

A quick question, i was told by a friend that CS resets my swing timer, is this true?

Theras · 04/05/08, 1:44 AM

No, your friend is super wrong.

hypetech · 04/05/08, 1:46 AM

Originally Posted by CHaoTiCTeX

a quick question, i was told by a friend that CS resets my swing timer is this true?

Only abilities with a cast time should reset your swing timer. Best thing for you to do would be to get a swing timer and test it out for yourself.

angelox · 04/05/08, 7:42 AM

Is there somewhere on this topic that I can check (updated for 2.4) the benefits of 3% crit buff for the raid and the 2% damage gain for the party? Trying to see if getting one in for SP is really worth it vs bringing another dps. Going to take a very long time to traul though 100pages of this ^^

Semadin · 04/05/08, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by angelox

Is there somewhere on this topic that I can check (updated for 2.4) the benefits of 3% crit buff for the raid and the 2% damage gain for the party? Trying to see if getting one in for SP is really worth it vs bringing another dps. Going to take a very long time to traul though 100pages of this ^^

Cromfel.Battlefield.fi Forums-viewtopic-Spreadsheet to Calculate Benefit from Sanctified Crusader

Spreadsheet for calculating the benefit of the sanctified crusader.

Vada · 04/05/08, 1:32 PM

From what I am hearing in sunwell the DPS boost from keeping wisdom judged on bosses like brutallus is changing the minds of many guilds. Is it a rumor still that Nihilium is using a ret paladin in sunwell now?

Top Paladins are doing 1900'ish DPS by themselves and providing raids with 3% crit and alot more mana on top of it.

Rizso · 04/05/08, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vada

From what I am hearing in sunwell the DPS boost from keeping wisdom judged on bosses like brutallus is changing the minds of many guilds. Is it a rumor still that Nihilium is using a ret paladin in sunwell now?

Top Paladins are doing 1900'ish DPS by themselves and providing raids with 3% crit and alot more mana on top of it.

Nihilium are using retri pala now. Judgement of wisdom is mostly so powerful that shadowpriests after the first gets replaced for it.

Samurai · 04/05/08, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by Rizso

Nihilium are using retri pala now. Judgement of wisdom is mostly so powerful that shadowpriests after the first gets replaced for it.

Is it really that powerful?

At least for us, the class' that are first priority for shadow priests are mages/healers and then probably warlocks. Checking a couple of the top WWS From brutallus I see mages gaining no more than 4000 mana from JoW compared to 22000+ from a shadow priest and obviously JoW is giving nothing to the healers.

Granted it gives hunters/melee shamans a massive boost in mana, but they should not be having great mana problems and never get a shadow priest anyway.

I'm not sayings JoW is bad, but its more of a nice little bonus as opposed to something that should be described as 'so powerful'

Having said that we do use a ret pala whenever possible

Osse · 04/05/08, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Samurai

Granted it gives hunters/melee shamans a massive boost in mana, but they should not be having great mana problems and never get a shadow priest anyway.

You are so wrong.

Rizso · 04/05/08, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by Samurai

Is it really that powerful?

At least for us, the class' that are first priority for shadow priests are mages/healers and then probably warlocks. Checking a couple of the top WWS From brutallus I see mages gaining no more than 4000 mana from JoW compared to 22000+ from a shadow priest and obviously JoW is giving nothing to the healers.

Granted it gives hunters/melee shamans a massive boost in mana, but they should not be having great mana problems and never get a shadow priest anyway.

I'm not sayings JoW is bad, but its more of a nice little bonus as opposed to something that should be described as 'so powerful'

Having said that we do use a ret pala whenever possible

You are correct that it doesnt give mages locks that much mana compared to shadow priest gives them, but i doubt thoes locks and mages will ever have more then 1 shadow priest in his/her group. So thoes mages gets both benefits from shadow priest and jow. Hunters gain so much mana from it that they probly wont need any mana pots and instead can use haste pots instead.

DarKNecross · 04/05/08, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by Samurai

Granted it gives hunters/melee shamans a massive boost in mana, but they should not be having great mana problems and never get a shadow priest anyway.

I'm not sayings JoW is bad, but its more of a nice little bonus as opposed to something that should be described as 'so powerful'

Judgement of Wisdom should be giving hunters upwards of 15,000 mana on Brutallus. Even if Mages are only getting about 2 Mana pots worth, that's still 2 extra Destruction Potions.
A Shadowpriest gives ~22,000 mana to 5 people. Looking at a random WWS, JoW gives 106,856 over 10 people.

Avitus · 04/05/08, 3:53 PM

From the world of raids "2.4 Known Issues List":

• Crusader Strike is adversely affected by Seal of the Crusader.

Anyone know that's all about?

flyingtoastr · 04/05/08, 3:58 PM

Since it says Seal of the Crusader and not JotC I would assume it has something to do with the AP from SotC not affecting the damage of CS or something along those lines. My question is "who cares?" since no one has actually used SotC seriously since way back before they "fixed" it.

Avitus · 04/05/08, 4:00 PM

I hope that's the case.

flyingtoastr · 04/05/08, 4:01 PM

Yep, just tested it.

It seems the part of SotC that reduces the weapon damage to maintain DPS is also reducing the damage done by CS. My normal CS was hitting for about 850, popped SotC and it fell to 700.