I have been running DPS tests on the ptr with me and a fury warrior I was coming up consistently with 1050 dps.

My stats are: 31.42% crit and 1902 AP with might. I was getting battle shout so I guess I had almost 2200 AP for my tests.

My general rules are: judge crusader then CS and then as soon as judgment c/d was up I would wait for my next swing and then judge right after and get command up asap. If CS was ticking off right when I could judge I would wait to judge first and then CS because chances are CS would put me on gcd and then I wouldnt be able to get a judgement off til another swing.

I was spamming rank 1 concecration which I would use every time I judged since they share same c/d. I usually concecration and then judge right away since it doesnt have gcd. And then by the time I was done clicking judgement I could load up command right away usually since gcd from concecration would be up. I also was spamming max rank command.

All in all I expected higher dps than that after seeing what all you guys did. Do you guys just think that you got in the 1500's because you flasked and stuff? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong.

Cheers for feedback on latest version of dps file, will try to get a bug fixed next version out soon.

You said you were running with about 2200AP. In the test cromfel did for example he had warrior/enchance shaman etc. I would guess his AP was pushing 4000 which would be the difference in dps

hawaiisb, you're losing a lot of DPS from not having SoC up all the time. Make a macro that judges and reseals and use only that.

I will add this to the original post. If someone wants to do more accurate comparison, feel free to do so.

Weapon Comparison - Author: Thoridon

Bear in mind this is for autoattack and SoC only, doesn't include things like CS, armour penetration, target's armour mitigation, trinkets etc. Also has fixed ap/crit, no group buffs and such involved. It's not a comprehensive set of calcs, but does show the base mechanics for autoattack/SoC like that wiki link you referred to.

To get a real comparison you'd have to calc your full dps with your equipment set and buffs, and they see how each weapon changes your dps for that. Also, these calcs were made a while ago (except new weapons which I added in when they were introduced) and I'm not happy with how I implemented the Lionheart proc - I think my section of calcs on the proc itself is wrong, surely can't add that much dps.

Assuming:

2000 Attack Power
30% crit chance

1. Lionheart Executioner
Weaponsmith Crafted, Sword
365-549 raw damage, 3.7 speed (126.9 raw dps)
Average Damage = 457

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.6 = +514 damage

+52 Strength (weapon), 57 / 7 = 8.1 dps * 3.6 = +29 damage

Total Damage = 457 + 514 + 29 = 998
Crit = 30 + (44/25=1.76) (weapon), 998 * 1.3176 = 1317 damage
1317 / 3.6 = 366 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.6 / 8.57 = 42.0% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1317 * 0.7 * 0.42 = 387 damage
387 / 3.6 = 108 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Lionheart = 1317 + 387 = 1704
Total DPS for Lionheart = 366 + 108 = 474

Chance on hit: Increases Strength by 100 for 10 sec.

When procced,

100 / 7 = 14.3 * 3.6 * 1.3176 = 67 extra damage + 1317 = 1384
1384 * 0.7 * 0.42 = 407

Able to get 2 hits in per proc, increased damage from proc:

(1384-1317)+(407-387)*2 = +174 damage
174 / 3.6 = +48 dps if constantly procced

Assuming 3 proc per minute,
20 / 3.6 = 5.6 possible hits. 2 hits during proc length.
2 / 5.6 = 0.357
48 * 0.357 = +17 average dps increase from the proc
17 * 3.6 = +61 average damage

New totals factoring in the proc:

Combined Damage for Lionheart with proc = 1317 + 387 + 61 = 1765
Total DPS for Lionheart with proc = 366 + 108 + 17 = 491




2. Stormherald
Weaponsmith Crafted, Mace
386-579 raw damage, 3.8 speed (127.0 raw dps)
Average Damage = 483

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.8 = +543 damage

+42 Strength (weapon), 46 / 7 = 6.6 dps * 3.8 = +25 damage

Total Damage = 483 + 543 + 25 = 1051
Crit = 30 + (42/25=1.6Cool (weapon), 1051 * 1.3168 = 1384 damage
1384 / 3.8 = 364 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.8 / 8.57 = 44.3% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1384 * 0.7 * 0.443 = 429 SoC damage
429 / 3.8 = 113 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Stormherald = 1384 + 429 = 1813
Total DPS for Stormherald = 364 + 113 = 477




3. Jin'rohk, The Great Apocalypse
Drop - Zul'Aman, Sword
380-570 raw damage, 3.7 speed (128.4 raw dps)
Average Damage = 475

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.7 = +529 damage

+120 AP (weapon), 120 / 14 = 8.6 dps * 3.7 = +32 damage

Total Damage = 475 + 529 + 32 = 1036
Crit = 30, 1036 * 1.3 = 1347 damage
Haste = 45, 45 / 15.77 = 2.85%
1360 / (3.7*0.9715=3.595) = 378 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.595 / 8.57 = 42.0% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1347 * 0.7 * 0.42 = 396 SoC damage
396 / 3.595 = 110 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Jin'rokh = 1347 + 396 = 1743
Total DPS for Jin'rokh = 378 + 110 = 488




4. Soul Cleaver
Drop - Black Temple, Axe
386-579 raw damage, 3.7 speed (130.4 raw dps)
Average Damage = 483

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.7 = +529 damage

+65 Strength (weapon), 72 / 7 = 10.2 dps * 3.7 = +38 damage

Total Damage = 483 + 529 + 38 = 1050
Crit = 30, 1050 * 1.3 = 1364 damage
1364 / 3.7 = 369 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.7 / 8.57 = 43.2% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1364 * 0.7 * 0.432 = 412 SoC damage
412 / 3.7 = 111 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Soul Cleaver = 1364 + 412 = 1776
Total DPS for Soul Cleaver = 368 + 111 = 480




5. Twinblade of the Phoenix
Drop - Tempest Keep, Sword
375-564 raw damage, 3.6 speed (130.4 raw dps)
Average Damage = 470

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.6 = +514 damage

Gems: +8 str, +4 str/+4 crit, +4 str/+6 stam (+8 AP socket bonus)

+16 Strength (weapon), 18 / 7 = 2.6 dps * 3.6 = +9 damage
+118 AP (weapon), 118 / 14 = 8.4 dps * 3.6 = +30 damage

Total Damage = 470 + 514 + 9 + 30 = 1023
Crit = 30 + (41/22.1=1.86) (weapon), 1023 * 1.3186 = 1349 damage
1349 / 3.6 = 374 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.6 / 8.57 = 42.0% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1349 * 0.7 * 0.42 = 397 damage
397 / 3.6 = 110 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Twinblade = 1349 + 397 = 1746
Total DPS for Twinblade = 374 + 110 = 484




6. Cataclysm's Edge
Drop - Hyjal, Sword
386-580 raw damage, 3.5 speed (138.0 raw dps)
Average Damage = 483

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.6 = +500 damage

+75 Strength (weapon), 83 / 7 = 11.9 dps * 3.5 = +42 damage

Total Damage = 483 + 500 + 42 = 1025
Crit = 30, 1025 * 1.3 = 1333 damage
1333 / 3.5 = 381 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.5 / 8.57 = 40.8% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1333 * 0.7 * 0.408 = 381 damage
381 / 3.5 = 109 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Cataclysm = 1333 + 381 = 1714
Total DPS for Cataclysm = 381 + 109 = 490




7. Torch of the Damned
Drop - Black Temple, Mace
396-595 raw damage, 3.8 speed (130.4 raw dps)
Average Damage = 496

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.8 = +543 damage

+51 Strength (weapon), 56 / 7 = 8.0 dps * 3.8 = +30 damage

Total Damage = 496 + 543 + 25 = 1064
Crit = 30 + (38/22.1=1.72) (weapon), 1064 * 1.3172 = 1402 damage
Haste = 50, 50 / 15.77 = 3.17%
1402 / (3.8*0.9683=3.6Cool = 381 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.68 / 8.57 = 43.0% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1402 * 0.7 * 0.43 = 422 SoC damage
422 / 3.68 = 115 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Torch = 1402 + 422 = 1824
Total DPS for Torch = 381 + 115 = 496





8. Vengeful Gladiator's Greatsword
Arena - 1850 Rating, Sword
386-580 raw damage, 3.6 speed (134.2 raw dps)
Average Damage = 483

2000 AP = 2000 / 14 = 142.9 dps
142.9 * 3.6 = +514 damage

+46 Strength (weapon), 51 / 7 = 7.2 dps * 3.6 = +26 damage

Total Damage = 483 + 514 + 26 = 1023
Crit = 30 + (46/22.1=2.0Cool (weapon), 1023 * 1.3208 = 1351 damage
Hit = (15/15.77=0.95), 1351 * 1.0095 = 1364
1364 / 3.6 = 379 Weapon DPS

SoC = 7ppm, 60 / 7 = 8.57
3.6 / 8.57 = 42.0% chance to proc per hit

SoC damage = 70% of normal damage

1364 * 0.7 * 0.42 = 401 damage
401 / 3.6 = 111 SoC DPS

Combined Damage for Gladiator's = 1364 + 401 = 1765
Total DPS for Gladiator's = 379 + 111 = 490



Top Damage per Hit:
1) Torch of the Damned - 1824
2) Stormherald - 1813
3) Soul Cleaver - 1776*
4) Vengeful Gladiator's - 1765*
5) Lionheart Executioner - 1765
6) Twinblade of the Phoenix - 1746
7) Jin'rokh, The Great Apocalypse - 1743
Cool Cataclysm's Edge - 1714*

Top DPS:
1) Torch of the Damned - 496
2) Lionheart Executioner - 491 (proc may not be calced right for this one)
3) Vengeful Gladiator's - 490*
4) Cataclysm's Edge - 490*
5) Jin'rokh, The Great Apocalypse - 488
6) Twinblade of the Phoenix - 484
7) Soul Cleaver - 480*
Cool Stormherald - 477

* Has armour negation I haven't factored in.

Ok so assuming you're a level 70 paladin and you have the precision talent, which gives you an extra 3% hit rate (which we all agreed is necessary for us), how much hit rating do you need to get in order to hit that magic 9-10%?

Well, I'm not that great with theorycraft or anything, but I'v got some 29% crit and 2200 AP with Might alone and I'm pusing ~1200 dps

Ofcourse I'm using SoB, which you dont have as a human and I always prioritise Crusader Strike over everything else, so I'm following with the 9 second judgement swing timer.

Also if you have been reading this thread from the beginning, I guess you could easilly drop some crit, since if memory serves, it's better than Strength only when you cant keep your Vengeance up, (though this will change when you are aroung... what was it? ~5k ap?) and with the new buff to Vengeance, it really shouldnt be a problem.

Also Crit is very expencive stat on the item budjet, so for those few percents of crit, you could actually get quite some more Strength, that is ofcourse, if you are able to swap around your gear.

Then feel free to make short and simple comparison, complaining without effort to make it better wont help anyone. If you can prove that those calculations are wrong, then show the information and I am more than happy to edit the OP. Until then, what we have is what we use. None here is responsible to provide you with 100% accurate perfect simulations. People contribute what they can and thats what we have.

Go mess around with the spreadsheet and make clean listing of conditions and weapon differences and I will add it to the OP.

Does World Breaker Not show up on that list on purpose?

Is it really that awful?

The spreadsheet thinks it's aweful because it doesnt take into account the "chance on hit"; it only looks at the stats/dmg.
I personally love the worldbreaker

Question from a new Ret pally (raided holy forever, tried Ret for 2 days):

Does CS proc SoB/SoC? The DPS cycle listed in the OP has some CS w/o seal active. As I've only been ret a short time, I have not had a chance to test this, but I've always tried to reseal before CS.

Am I wasting a GCD doing that? It would seem to me that if CS procs seals, it would be best to always have a seal active before CS.

It's about as good as Jin'rohk (the posted calculation overvalues Jin somehow). Twinblade is a clear upgrade from both, then you get BT/Hyjal weapons.

I'd add to the list:

[Furious Gizmatic Goggles] (engineering - plate)
[Hammer of the Naaru]
[Thundering Skyfire Diamond]

And probably more.

There seems to be a good sized gap between lvl 70 blues and the T5+ gear on the item lists. I'd guess this might be on the to-do list.

Good job, it wasnt that hard afterall was it? Throw me PM about stats you used so people can adjust them to their own. And if you have spare time feel free to do similiar for stat milestones (You can come up with your own) and weapon comparison according to ilevel.

Seals only proc on normal weapon swings. CS is not a normal weapon swing sadly, otherwise the unnerf in 2.3 would be even more godly.

To that effect, does anyone know if CS can proc Mongoose, Windfury, etc?

Regarding the spreadsheet, some feature requests:

Anyway to make it display the skill breakdown, etc for SoB usage? Everything seems dependent on SoC (I do see the SoB box and option on the graph, but there is no option to change the details to SoB).

I don't see how to add new items (i'm an Excel noob, sorry). Manually typing them in seems to cause the hide/expand button to break.

How/where are item set bonuses defined/displayed? I don't see where this is accounted for. Specifically, I'm interested in Doomplate 4 pc, but I couldn't see it for T4/5 etc.

Could you provide a legend for the abbreviations? I was guessing SpDm = spell dmg, but then I saw Dam (S) and I got confused.

Also, SoB is scaling off SpDm in the graph. Is that accounting for the judgement, or is that a bug?

Ah wow that macro helps a ton. Thanks alot for that.

edit: After running 2 dps tests between college classes I have seen a jump from 960 dps to 1048 dps average just from using the macro. It really frees up alot of time for me to work on my cycle and to get it down alot tighter. I did those tests solo with 31.42% crit and 1902 ap with might.

Specials cannot proc WF totem anymore. Hotfixed like two month ago.

For everyone who wants items added:

I know in Excel (not sure about OO but it is probably similar) you can go to Format -> Sheet -> Unhide and select the ones you would like to see. The sheet named "DPS" is the one that has all the items stored on it and you can add or edit any of them you wish (just keep the format the same).

You can also go to the sheet titled "DPS Calc" and tweak any setting you'd like. I know I wanted to reconcile my current DPS so I set the CS cool down back to 10 seconds.

Cheers Bel for this tool, it's extremely nice.

Added new weapon comparison (Using bellators DPS spreadsheet).

5. Weapon Comparison

Tier5 and Tier6 gears are assumed most common items with full tier 5/6 according to instance itemization available. Values for DPS are not your actual damage output. Its unbuffed reference dps values only so you can compare the difference between weapons (Adjust the evaluation to your own itemization, your mileage may vary). Do not consider the dps value as actual damage output.

CS can proc non damage seals (SoW/SoL/SoJ).

Put up SoW and watch your combat log when you use CS. If you have a slow weapon, you'll easily get a double proc.

Bellator,

In your spreadsheet the "Gladiator's Scaled Shoulders" are named "Gladiator's Scaled Chestpiece", which forces excel to pull the data from the shoulder slot item if you select "Gladiator's Scaled Chestpiece" in the chest slot item in the character sheet.

I've simply renamed the shoulder slot item to correct the issue in the DPS Calc sheet.

@Bellator,
I know absolutly nothing about Microsoft product like Excel, office and all... but i do have Staroffice but never really played around with it. Is there any plan to make the spreadsheet work with Openoffice in the future? Or is there any way to currently make it work? I keep getting error. :/