• frmorrison

On Beta the Blacksmith weapons are BoE. I recall a 2H Mace and Axe that are decent.

Blacksmithing is the best due to the two extra sockets imo, however it does cost the most to level.

 

Stealthpally

I have a few questions reguarding the rotation you should be using. At the beginning of fight on a boss such as Brutallus I cast Seal of Martyr, Judge, CS, DS, Consecrate, HW. When HW is on CD I use exorcism. Does this seem to be the maximum dps priority ranking that provides the best use of trying to get as many attacks out of a certain time period of possible? And also... at 35% I make Hammer my top priority.

EDIT* Ok let me reword my question. Will the rotation change at all with this RV nerf / buff??

 

Rasputin

The current BoE BS weapons Titansteel Destroyer being the relevant one for us are honestly not worth the hassle unless you don't see yourself downing 10-man Naxx any time soon. Compare that above to Death's Bite from KT or even Demise from Heigan. and you can quickly see it wouldn't be worth the cost if you're involved in any real level of raiding. You should still be happy with BS due to the sockets, but the actual gear is pretty irrelevant to raiders(there are a few DPS and taning pieces as well, but they are similarly disadvantaged to Naxx loot).

 

Questioner

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I will not say anything mean.

 

Saltycracker

I only really see the Destroyer being good for Titans Grip, but I agree. I think Blizzard's intention is releasing a very tame Naxx 10 and 25 man with respect to how much kara was a jump in difficulty for BC.

If RNG is cruel to me then I might consider making one, but I'm rather sell Titansteel to people making motorcycles.

 

Lelyia

Server is finally up and it seems the nerf to SoB/SoM is indeed there.

Prepatch for me unbuffed:

291-353 on attacks
1136-1236 on judgements

Post patch for me unbuffed:

228-277 on attacks
904-958 on judgements.

I haven't had a chance to test sanctified wrath yet to see if it's bypass was a bug or if it's still missing.

 

Thorin

Hmmmm... seems Blizz decided the BC ones were much too strong for the level...

Guess I'll just farm mats and decide what to go at the end, once everything's settled, who knwos maybe they'll add some BS only weapons later, since they were such a hit in BC

 

Stealthpally

TY.. I've been using the search tool looking for quite a while now.

 

Alleyra

Forebearance is now 3 minutes on Live.

 

Lelyia

There was still 30 seconds on my debuff and I was able to recast AW. Unsure if this is a bug or not though. I tested it a second time and popped AW again with 1 minute left on the debuff right after it popped and I was able to cast again.

I just ran another test - Shield then AW and I was indeed able to cast both. It seems that AW is castable regardless of the debuff. So AW just keeps you from popping bubble, bubble does not keep you from popping AW which was the whole point of the change in the first place wasn't it?

 

Fqubed

Heh, If this is in, buble then wings its a fairly big bug to get out seeing as this patch was RV + this.

Edit

Yes I understand the AW forberance hotfix, but this patch was the one that brought it all together, and instead broke the main thing they were trying to fix (burst while immune). This should be easy to hotfix anyway.

 

Anauel

No, it wasn't what they wanted (or us, for that matter).

What the changed was supposed to do is prevent you from bubbling and popping AW. Which it achieved before today's patch. The patch broke the band-aid and, as far as I can tell, AW isn't checking for forbearance, but it is giving it to you.

So you can DS->AW, but not AW->DS. This fixed nothing and actually kept the disadvantages (you can't use DS if you used AW 2 min before). Although, since AW isn't checking for forbearance, you can use it as soon as your cooldown is up.

 

Taraxuss

Yes, it seems Blizzard managed to royally screw up Forbearance and the way it interacts. It's a good thing that AW doesn't check for it, for the moment, because otherwise you'd be locked out of using AW on a 3 minute cooldown, regardless of whether we have talents to reduce it to 2. If Blizzard is going to use Forbearance to prevent AW use when bubbled, then they need to reduce its duration; otherwise the part of Sanctified Wrath that reduces AW's cooldown is going to waste.

 

Killmour

Did they forget to hotfix some things with the new patch? It seems like my JoC is doing more damage today than it was yesterday, even without the crit damage talent. Anyone know for sure?

 

Multipass

I am fairly certain Judgement was an 8 second talented cooldown yesterday, for some reason the tooltip reads as 7 today? Am I just denser then I thought I was or was this change mentioned anywhere? (if there is even a change!)

 

Dram

The 4pc PvP bonus is now -1 second on the judgement cooldown, are you wearing pvp gear?

 

Grigorim

If you have the 4 piece PVP set bonus, it has been changed to 1 second off Judgement CD.

 

Talven

Were you wearing Arena gear? The four piece bonus was supposed to be changed.

Edit : too slow in remembering my forum pass, i guess.

 

Multipass

Ah thank you! That would explain it!

 

yamamoto

Looks like SoB got the nerf that wasn't intended to hit live, but just recently got hotfixed (5-10minutes ago). Anyone notice this as well?

Also, AW is back to 2min Forbearance (hotfixed).

 

• frmorrison

Here is a WWS from me solo dpsing Onynia earlier with 5.25% hit and 10/51 spec (I had Kings for Raiding):
Wow Web Stats

Dps Notes:

3% Ghost Hit is still around, I am unsure if the 1% hit from Ret Aura is still there, since I had at least 8.25% hit.
Judgement of Command is doing more dps than pre-3.03, Seal of Command is doing about 15% less damage.
Arcane Strike (from SSO Neck) is not getting my ghost hit, and the Crit appears to be based on spell crit (it was melee crit) but still is doing 2x crits and affected by expertise.

Mana Notes:

With JoW up, I could still spam my abilities, but mana got to 10% at the end. Without JoW I would have gone empty and assuming I was just dpsing (getting little SA mana), I would have been OOM (due to having a long 20% dps phase with only 1 dps, with two it shouldn't have been an issue). I did use Arcane torrent when I was waiting on cooldowns to pop.

 

Killmour

Just did Brut, With a full rotation I went oom when Brut was at 10%

3:30 min fight, I'm not sure what the deal is with Wisdom now, but it gave me a grand total of 3k mana.

Also, feels like JoC damage is up, SoC damage seems roughly the same as pre patch.

Seal of Blood seems to be doing fine, maybe the hotfix already went in.

Also, I only have 5.25 hit, and I'm still not missing, I'm really lost I keep taking hit off and I still have yet to miss anything.

 

Redcape

Did your full rotation include HoW and Consecrate?

Do you have a firm number on the % coefficient of SoB?

 

Killmour

Yes, it did, I was just surprised, our hunters were complaining about wisdom barely working too.

Not sure on the Coefficient.

 

• frmorrison

JoW is working as GC intended, 1% of your total mana per proc with 50% chance of having a proc.