Hey there, first post here.

Thanks for all the work your guys are putting in, and especially thanks for the spreadsheets - I've spent hours trawling over them already!

Just wanted to double check about "Weapon Expertsie" though; it seems remarkably powerful on Bellator's spreadsheet, so much so that the [Brooch of Deftness] appears to be one of the best DPS neck's avaliable in the game, despite having no Str/AP and no Crit whatsoever. Is this correct? If so, I know where 35 of my badges are going tomorrow!

Thanks again guys.

I tried playing with this some, and failed. I'll keep plugging away though, maybe soon my old excel skills from the past will magically come back to my remembrance. Thanks!

Hello guys,

2.3 is on the doorstep and one of the paladins in my guild is speccing retri. There is only 1 problem: his class leader doesn't allow him to sign up for raids. Not enough dps he says.

I of course want a retri pala in raid for the sake of judgement of wisdom so I want to convince the CL to get a retri pala each raid. I'm not a great paladin-theorycrafter so could anyone make me a list why we should get a retri pala instead of a dps warrior for instance?

Things I came up by myself:

-Judgement of wisdom owns for casters;
-Paladins get -30% threat, warriors only 10% in berserker stance.


I hope you can help me out.

thanks in advance!

I didn't have much time to look at the spreadsheet (at work at the moment), but when I replaced the [Pendant of the Perilous] from the default gear set with [Brooch of Deftness], the listed DPS went from (1347+30) to (1336+32), a loss of 9 dps overall.

Do most ret paladins attempting to maximize raid DPS use weightstones / sharpening stones? I realise there is a conflict with windfury, but will this weapon buff actually prevent windfury from sticking if/when it is available?

Yes. If you already have a temporary weapon buff, windfury will not apply. You will have to click it off and wait for the totem to pulse again.

The temporary weapon enchants do prevent totem-based weapon buffs from applying themselves. That's why you'll hear Shaman tell Rogues not to use Poisons on their main hand weapons, because they'll lose the benefit of WF.

That said, the weapon buff stones are a nice buff if you don't have access to a group with a Shaman for some reason, but be careful because you can't cancel the buffs until their duration runs out.

I swear I tried to do it last night on some Brilliant Wizard Oil on my Shaman, and it did not work. I guess I'll have to give it another shot today.

Haha.

Ok so apparently my first post was a little retaded! >.<

Evidently the difference I experienced was due to being hit capped or not, as the [Brooch of Deftness] as a hefty chunk of hit rating on it, and I must have been below 9% hit before I equipepd it.

With that taken into account the brooch is fairly useless then?

If you use a buff frame you might not be able to, I never can with CT-BuffMod. It only works with the ugly basic blizzard UI, in my experience.

Good call. I need to make a macro for that.

He should actually test that in a raid, post 2.3, before saying so with certainty.

It looks like you're firmly in the middle of t5 content judging by your realm forum progression post. That's a good spot to properly test Ret for your guild; a PvP+kara geared ret paladin is functionally competing on the same line as most t5 DPS would be.

What other "off specs" is your guild receptive to? Do you have a mix of holy and shadow priests? What do your druids do? Shamans? Do you use any DPS warriors, and how many DPS warriors compared to how many rogues? Any MS blood frenzy warriors?

Any Pallytanks?

The danger comes if you're trying to get a ret to jump straight into t6 content. They really need t6 gear to compete at t6 content, maybe with a sprinkling of the upcoming season 3 pvp gear.