If the spreadsheet is using the new values for the tier sets (I'm not sure if the latest version is, I'm still running with an old version) its possible they are best for the gear you have access to. At the moment I'm positive the recolored T5 Warrior ones are better, as well as Tier 5.

Im still using the 2.3.2 one (it, not the reitemized pieces). When I say "upgrade" I mean in game I upgraded 2 items, so I changed my gear in the spreadsheet, did the analyze items and the lists was a little different, but I would expect (with everything turned on, hyjal/bt/etc) some shoulders better than Justicar..

I use both bellator and maxdps spreadsheets and the biggest discrepancy I find is how they rank the importance of haste (at least for SoC). For instance, maxdps shows [Berserker's Call] being better than [Dragonspine Trophy] where Bellator has the DST almost double Berserker's (this happens in a few other slots as well). Does anyone know which spreadsheet has the best representation of "upgrades" for each slot?

My only quibble about losing hit rating for higher rated DPS items without hit is that it does not account for the increased possibility of having your judgements drop. It may not be a huge deal in all fights, but since a major part of our utility is supposed to be maintaining those judgements, I prefer to eliminate as many avenues to failure of that goal as possible. I've already seen triple CS dodges, making me rabid for expertise, and if I dropped below cap and saw dodge dodge miss I'd probably go cry somewhere. So I'd prefer to sacrifice some personal dps for the knowledge that I will never miss a CS.

I'm on the PTR right now. Refreshing Judgement of the Crusader no longer procs [Libram of Avengement]. Seems like they finally fixed it

Gevlin, are you putting in your raid buffs? DST is a Haste trinket, which means it scales very well with buffs, whereas Berserker's Call is AP - a static bonus that is not effected by buffs.

well on Bellator's its easy to break down so i have everything on there. on max dps i'm just hand waving putting in buffed AP at 3400, 1100 armor pen (assuming an already reduced 3500 boss armor), hit cap, and 38% or so crit. still shows me berserker's call coming out ahead. strange. maybe i should start rolling on DST huh? especially if they make SoC scale with haste or give us an equivalent to SoB.

ah, that 16.6% vs 25% is probably where that "almost double" comes from. anybody that use DST have concrete numbers on average uptime?

So, looking over the available loot known from Sunwell, I've been trying to figure out the best way to get to 95 hit rating. So far I have, from gear;

[Choker of Endless Nightmares] 21 hit
[Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape] 17 hit
[Item not found!] 16 hit
[Hard Khorium Battlefists] 23 hit

leaving me with 77 hit. So, to find the remaining 18 hit, I can either socket a pair of [Rigid Lionseye] into an available yellow socket or pick up one of the following:

[Band of the Ranger-General] in place of [Unstoppable Aggressor's Ring] for a 9 dps loss

or

[Dreadboots of the Legion] in place of [Lightbringer Boots] for about a 19 dps loss

I'm not sure if bellator's spreadsheet includes gems in the item calc function or not, which is why I wouldn't just throw it to the ring. So, assuming it does, has anyone come up with anything better so far? Or am I getting ahead of myself and should wait for more gear to be discovered?

I think your best option would be to use the 16hit rating enchant on your helm, but you're still 2 hit rating short.

Or how about [Madness of the Betrayer]?

I included the helm enchant already.

I'm unsure about Madness. The spreadsheet places it decently below both DST, and therefore also the Shard of Contempt. I'd have to imagine that would be a greater dps loss than the ring.

Another possibility would be to socket 1 [Rigid Lionseye] and 2 [Etched Fire Opal] to reach exactly 18 hit.

Armory was just upgraded in PTR

Apparently tokens for various tiers of gear (t4,t5) can be exchanged for the equivalent in pvp

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Does this extend to T6/S3?

Tier 6 tokens can be turned in for Season 2 right now (might be a bug, I would think they would go into season 3) and the new tokens from SWP (Boots Belt, Bracers) can be turned in for Season 3 honor pieces.

New comer here...i would like to ask about what is the dps cycle for a ret pally. I know theres a chart at the 1st page, but i have difficulty understanding >.<

Can some one state down what the DPS cycle is like? i.e when to Judge, when to CS so as to avoid getting stuck on GCD...Sorry for asking but im a noob

First page has all the details

Am I missing something here. The new Justicar Helm in 2.4 is less dps than the old Justicar Crown according to the dps spreadsheet?

Since there seems to be an assortment of comments on this thread of what skills armor penetration actually effects:

White damage and what?

SoB to my understanding is considered magic (holy) damage, and the same with crusader strike; they don't scale with plus damage as they're only based off your "tool tip" weapon damage?

Obviously JoB, exorcism and consecration are all spell damage.

Please correct where if I'm mistaken somewhere.

Crusader strike is physical damage. Armor pen works on our white damage and CS, which is the majority of our damage.

Yeah, I only meant it was a greater DPS loss than using the [Band of the Ranger-General]. I think at this point, with new gear being discovered frequently, I'll shelve this discussion until the PTR seems a bit more finalized.

Considered Surefooted enchant on your boots instead of 12 agi?

So our choices for new 2 handed weapons for SWP...

A 3.5 speed Axe itemized for hunters, and a 3.5 speed sword itemized for Hunters. Anyone else a little disturbed by this? Where is the big slow mace?

While this isn't quite the issue for me personally, I agree that it is a problem. But just to make sure, is Apolyon at least an upgrade to Torch for Alliance?