Gormal, I would also look at trying to get 2 piec Tier 6 if you can, the 2 piece set bonus is just amazing

yeap

I thought you were a belf. If you are alliance i would go for Torch over Cataclysm.

As for an estimate, it is very variable on weapons and gear etc, but for a tier 6 type paladin comes in at about 30ish mp5

Hmm, wonder why it's saying you are not hit capped. Can you list out your items and there contributions to getting you to the 9% cap?

Remember in terms of item analysis, if you have for example 9% hit exactly, and you analyse lets say you gloves compared to other gloves and your current gloves give you 1% hit, then other gloves with +hit on them will be counting towards the dps contribution as without your gloves you are not hit capped....if that makes sense

Edit: Deac, i looked at your character on the armory, and it says he only had 7.7% hit which is not hit capped. What other factors have you got to make yourself hit capped?

Can the Str Scroll buff be added to the buff list please? I love the new Belf included sheed Bellator!!

You have created a very nice spreadsheet encapsulating a lot of information on our mechanics. Thank you and my props to you! I have a question however. On the "Character" sheet of your Paladin?Dps?v28_2.3.2, I was trying to check the math on your attack dps calculations, but the cell references formulas and information that I couldn't get to display for me. Could you please post here what your formula is for calculating the Crusader Strike DPS? Thanks.

now ret pally its more like arms warior with mana? are spell dmg really not good in retri ? why tier use all spell dmg? if now ret pally more like arms warior,why we must use mana not blue rage or something? sorry its a newb questieon

Sure, this will be added in next version and thanks

Just fyi, the Last couple of iterations of the model have been based on 2.3.2

It gets quite complicated, so i'll try to split it down into parts if thats ok.

It first calculates the base hit:-

=[(Weapon Speed * Weapon Damage) + (Buffed AP / 14)*3.3 + 18(if Libram of Righteous Power equipped)] * 110% *105%(if vengeful glatiators gauntlets are equipped) * (100% + 2% per point in 2H weapon specialisation)

Then it works factors in crit and avoidance we'll call Modified base hit

= (Base hit * Crit Modifier - Base hit * Avoidance)

Here, Avoidance is a % such as 5.6% is hit is capped and attacking from behind to count only dodge
Also, Crit Modifier is a % so if we have 30% crit, the crit modifier would be 310%

Then all the buffs are factored in to get the Average Hit

= Modified Base Hit * Sanctity Aura(102%) * Crusade(103%) * Averaged Avenging Wrathe (103.3%) * Venegeance (115%) * Ferocious Inspiration (103%) * (100% - Boss Dmg Mitigation)

The Average Hit is then divided by the cooldown (6seconds) to get the dps.

Hope that made sense

yeah i know ,i myself as prot paladin use speel dmg for threat and dps, but retri paladin? why spell damage not add more damage? subs for lack of AP, if blizz and now crusader strike its more like white dmg from warior hehehh

Could you also add enchants for rings... +4 stats helps a tad . I'd also like to see how it compares to the +2 weapon damage.

+4 stats is straight up better than +2 damage. The strength alone adds more damage per swing than +2 damage, before considering the other stats.

4 strength * 1.1(BoK) * 1.1(DS) = 9.6 ap
9.6 ap / 14 = .6857 dps
.6857 dps * 3.5 speed = 2.4 damage per swing

Hi, I am fairly new to the ret paladin. I was wondering if someone could answer a quick ret dps question.
I am looking into a semi hybrid dps build. I want this build to allow me be to be a semi effect healer as well as good dps.
I have noticed while spec’ing out of the prot tree to forgo precision and trying to cap out my hit at about 140 ish; I would have to focus more on +hit.
I think in order for this to work I would have to loose out on a bunch of str and crit. As well my talent points would be spread a little thin to gain some healing advantage.
My question is, how large of a reduction of dps do you think would result in specing and gearing this way? Would this nerf me pretty bad or would this be viable for some decent pew pew.

Incase you want a little bit more information about my paladin:
The build I was considering would be Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft (point left into vindication just incase the extra procs of wisdom is true)
Unfortunately I logged off in my healing gear but I have most of the Badge gear and am working on my arena head, breast plate, Weapon to replace my current ret epics.