Retribution DPS Theorycraft - Page 99

CaptBooyah · 01/13/08, 5:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

Does it? The badge gear didn't look terribly impressive to me as someone with a mix of Karazhan/pvp epics and heroic blues. A lot of points spent on ArP and +hit. I'm pretty sure if I pick up the three badge epics that would replace blues for me (already have the horseman's helm and the battleground bracers) I would be over the hit cap with Precision thrown in.

I'll have to read up on the value of ArP when present in small doses like those three pieces would give me.

Well, if you're at the hit cap with good set pieces then fine. Currently, Im sporting the badge legs, I had the helm until I got the engineering headpiece. The main thing about the badge plate pieces, they have very healthy amounts of strength. The pants beat 10 levels of crap out of the the mech pants and the bracers are just huge (altho comparable with pvp bracers). I guess the hit on the higher item level gear allows you to use more obtainable epics to buff your strength/crit stats (like Adal's command/band of conquest etc).

When I started, I only had 1500 AP.. now I have nearly 2k unbuffed (1994 last check) thanks to enchants, str gems and some decent T5 upgrades. Looking to get the pants from solarian for a better trash/pvp set because who the frell needs more than 5% hit for trash. =]

Secta · 01/13/08, 8:31 AM

Does SoB still provide better DPS then SoC if you're equipped with Libram of Divine Judgement?

When I have a Shaman in my group providing WF, I go with SoB. However, when I don't have that luxury I'm using SoC beacuse my Libram seems to have a decent proc rating. I personally think I'm better off though with the Libram for Blood Furnace and just constantly using SoB.

Anyone have some confirmed numbers on this?

Anarkii · 01/13/08, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Secta

Does SoB still provide better DPS then SoC if you're equipped with Libram of Divine Judgement?

When I have a Shaman in my group providing WF, I go with SoB. However, when I don't have that luxury I'm using SoC beacuse my Libram seems to have a decent proc rating. I personally think I'm better off though with the Libram for Blood Furnace and just constantly using SoB.

Anyone have some confirmed numbers on this?

Yes, SoB beats SoC with the LoDJ, by a comfortable margin. The only fights BElfs should consider using SoC is when they might kill themselves with SoB.

Mordekhuul · 01/13/08, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by CaptBooyah

Well, if you're at the hit cap with good set pieces then fine. Currently, Im sporting the badge legs, I had the helm until I got the engineering headpiece. The main thing about the badge plate pieces, they have very healthy amounts of strength. The pants beat 10 levels of crap out of the the mech pants and the bracers are just huge (altho comparable with pvp bracers). I guess the hit on the higher item level gear allows you to use more obtainable epics to buff your strength/crit stats (like Adal's command/band of conquest etc).

When I started, I only had 1500 AP.. now I have nearly 2k unbuffed (1994 last check) thanks to enchants, str gems and some decent T5 upgrades. Looking to get the pants from solarian for a better trash/pvp set because who the frell needs more than 5% hit for trash. =]

Good point. Its true that I'll be way over the hit cap if I magic up another 250 badges to buy all of the heroic plate gear, but I can at least make some favorable gear swaps as you mention (swap Ring of Ghoulish Delight for the Violet Signet, etc).

Diraphise · 01/13/08, 5:14 PM

More spreadsheet stuff:

-Ironstriders of Urgency have a listed socket bonus of +3 agi instead of +3 str.
-The 2/3/4 mp5 gems seem to add 8 hit and nothing else.

Could you perhaps also add Falling Star? It's the one stamina gem I do bother using, and I can't seem to give user-added gems a colour.

Gormal · 01/13/08, 6:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

Good point. Its true that I'll be way over the hit cap if I magic up another 250 badges to buy all of the heroic plate gear, but I can at least make some favorable gear swaps as you mention (swap Ring of Ghoulish Delight for the Violet Signet, etc).

If you run the badge rewards through the spreadsheet or maxdps.com, you'll find that the leather pieces outstrip most of the plate rewards. Don't be afraid to grab mail/leather if its going to give you a bigger overall improvement.

[Master Assassin Wristwraps] beat out [Eternium Rage-shackles] for instance.

Marxus · 01/13/08, 7:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gormal

If you run the badge rewards through the spreadsheet or maxdps.com, you'll find that the leather pieces outstrip most of the plate rewards. Don't be afraid to grab mail/leather if its going to give you a bigger overall improvement.

[Master Assassin Wristwraps] beat out [Eternium Rage-shackles] for instance.

Mostly because the plate is geared more toward fury warriors.

Gory · 01/14/08, 9:37 AM

Originally Posted by Avitus

Has anyone found a solution to this?

I have the same problem and it's incredibly frustrating when it bugs up at a critical moment to say the least.

Currently my own castsequence macro looks like this:

/startattack
/castsequence reset=30/alt Seal of Command, Judgement

I've tried without the initial /startattack, I've tried by adding an exclamation mark infront of Judgement (though supposedly that's only for toggle able abilities?), but it still bugs up for no apparent reason every now and then.

I know as a last solution I could switch to a multi line /cast macro, but I've always preferred /castsequence since it restricts you from resealing accidentally when you already have a seal up.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

EDIT: Found a 9 page blue flagged threat at the official wow UI/macro forum:

WoW Forums -> /castsequence not cycling properly?

Seems like it's a known issue, I really hope it doesn't take until 2.4 to fix.

I have encountered the same problem with castsequence macros, which seemed to not reset due to the long reset time in them.

Therefore I use this on my pala (judgement talented at 8 seconds) :
#showtooltip judgement
/castsequence reset=7 judgement, seal of <ownage>

You can do reset=8 if you got judgement talented at 9 seconds, this never failed me so far.

Mordekhuul · 01/14/08, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gormal

If you run the badge rewards through the spreadsheet or maxdps.com, you'll find that the leather pieces outstrip most of the plate rewards. Don't be afraid to grab mail/leather if its going to give you a bigger overall improvement.

[Master Assassin Wristwraps] beat out [Eternium Rage-shackles] for instance.

Thanks for the tip. I hadn't considered it. I hate to lose the extra armor of plate pieces by going as low down the chain as leather, but for raiding it shouldn't matter much, and for PVP I'll pick up plenty of high armor PVP pieces over time as it is.

I have the battleground bracers, so my first priorities from the badge rewards are probably replacing my rare shattered hand legs and my rare shoulders. I'll have to check the leather on those

Perhaps even the mail pieces, if they have any enhancement shaman oriented pieces in there.

Mordekhuul · 01/14/08, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Gormal

If you run the badge rewards through the spreadsheet or maxdps.com.......

For itemization, given the current state of both MaxDPS and the spreadsheet, what do you find most accurate at the moment?

I was a little surprised to see some helms ranked higher than the horseman helm that are spending itemization points on +dmg, given the change to crusader strike, for instance (when I looked at maxdps.com).

Avitus · 01/14/08, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

For itemization, given the current state of both MaxDPS and the spreadsheet, what do you find most accurate at the moment?

I was a little surprised to see some helms ranked higher than the horseman helm that are spending itemization points on +dmg, given the change to crusader strike, for instance (when I looked at maxdps.com).

The spreadsheet is far more accurate since it's more detailed and specialized.

Just because an item has +dmg doesn't mean it's bad, +dmg is a cheap stat. The question is always "how much AP/crit are you giving up for how much +dmg?".

Mordekhuul · 01/14/08, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Avitus

The spreadsheet is far more accurate since it's more detailed and specialized.

Just because an item has +dmg doesn't mean it's bad, +dmg is a cheap stat. The question is always "how much AP/crit are you giving up for how much +dmg?".

+dmg only affects Judgement of Blood, with a .43 modifier, correct? Unless I am consecrating or using exorcism, I believe that is the only ability it impacts.

I will use the spreadsheet when I have more time, and thanks for the advice.

Avitus · 01/14/08, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

+dmg only affects Judgement of Blood, with a .43 modifier, correct? Unless I am consecrating or using exorcism, I believe that is the only ability it impacts.

I will use the spreadsheet when I have more time, and thanks for the advice.

Ah you're horde, hmmm in that case things change quiet a bit due to JoB. Still, I'd go with the spreadsheet.

Which helmet do you have (armory link?)?

Mordekhuul · 01/14/08, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by Avitus

Ah you're horde, hmmm in that case things change quiet a bit due to JoB. Still, I'd go with the spreadsheet.

Which helmet do you have (armory link?)?

Myndle, my Pally

I have been workng on heroic badges lately, in between raiding my warlock, and plan to do at least the minimum 10 arena matches plus battlegrounds as well, to get there faster.

I'll upgrade to Deep Thunder within a couple of days now. With plenty of void crystals saved up from my main, I am planning on Mongoose, unless the spreadsheet shows Executioner as a clear winner (I also need to research between Mongoose and Executioner in PVP, as until such time as I am able to switch mains, Myndle will be mostly doing lower tier raids and PVP).

Question - can Crusader Strike proc weapon enchants?

Theras · 01/14/08, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mordekhuul

I was a little surprised to see some helms ranked higher than the horseman helm...

The reason you're seeing that is because the Horseman's Helm doesn't have a Meta socket on it, which is an absolutely colossal DPS increase. Having a helmet with a meta socket is almost always preferable to having one without.