i've seen on official forums they added Global Cooldown on Judgements on latest beta build. so basically we get 10% haste if we lose 3 seconds out of 30 to Global Cooldown from Seal and Judgement. that's 10% wasted time. kinda evens out. and for that we have to spend 7 end tiers talent points in Enlightened Judgement and Judgements of the Pure.

now compared to priest's Test of Faith and Divine Providence and druid's Replenish and Gift of the Earthmother sounds... awfully low.

Add in an extra 10% from Shaman totem plus whatever you get on your gear. Then factor in that they redid the Judgement mechanics, you end up with 1.2 to 1.3 seconds out of 30 seconds on the GCD to get a 10% haste buff for the 28+ other seconds. Not too shabby.

Plus if you don't need the haste because the encounter is trivial then you don't need to waste the GCD.


Now if they could only give some sort of Expertise or -dodge/parry effect to deep Holy to increase their soloing viability like they did Enlightened Judgements...

This depends on how it plays out. The utility factor of providing say Judgement of Wisdom alone is substantial, and it seems doubtful there's enough Prot/Retri Paladins there to keep both Wisdom and Light in every raid, especially 10mans.

It's still a teensy bit "meh" to have to spend those points just to get status quo back, but in theory it'd allow to place Judgements without any effective loss to healing throughput. In theory.

Judgments are still doing huge damage, and I don't have Art of War here even in the new form.

Wowhead's been updated to the latest beta build as well. Couple of things I noticed:

- Consceration, Exorcism, Hammer of Wrath and Holy Wrath now all scale with attack power as well as spell damage. The tooltips should reflect the damage dealt by each ability based on your attack power and spell damage.
- [Avenging Wrath] no longer mentions Forbearance in it's tooltip. [Forbearance] doesn't mention Avenging Wrath any more either. Forbearance has been made into three minutes for all abilities it affects though.
- The new single rank of seal spells have been updated so that they list the damage they do depending on how much spell damage and attack power you have.
- The new Judgement of Wisdom and Judgement of Light mention how much mana/health they restore on procs in the tooltip. And yes, tooltip updates based on your attack power and spell damage (At least, the local tooltip does, no idea about the debuff tooltip).

Looking at the tooltips for coefficients it appears that:-

JoC = 30% Weapon Dam + 36% AP + 58% SP
JoB = 46% Weapon Dam + 36% AP + 58% SP
SoR = Weapon Speed * (5%AP + 10%SP)
JoR = 45% AP + 73% SP
SoV scales at 0.034 SP + 0.07AP per tick
JoV = 36% AP + SP% AP which increases by 10% per stack of holy vengeance. ie on a full stack = 54% AP + 87% SP
JoL = 36% AP + 58% SP damage and returns 18% SP + AP in health per proc
JoW = 36% AP + 58% SP damage and returns 9% SP + AP in mana per proc
Consecration seems to to scale at 4% AP + 4% SP per tick
Exorcism scales 15% AP + 15% SP
Holy Wrath scales 7% AP + 7% SP

Any change to Holy Shield in regards to scaling with something other than spellpower? Also can you confirm that it went back down to 4 charges base?

A couple of thoughts at this juncture:

Mana costs

This whole mana cost thing still makes me wonder. I've not heard anyone really talking about what their base mana is looking like as they level past 70, and with the developers literally doubling the mana cost on many abilities, but no increase in base mana, should we expect to see some other mechanics changes coming or is it more likely a simple oversight from blizz?

Healing

I read a report from a holy paladin that he's been able to participate in proper melee while healing on the PTR. He used JoL, plus BoL and the odd HS/FoL and was able to basically heal the instance fine. However, it was an all-melee group. He mentioned that they ran the same instance later on with one of the melee replaced by a hunter and he was no longer able to perform this role nearly as easily. He mentioned that with the need to heal the hunter, he lost a lot of mana return from not being able to melee and gain mana from JoW and had some tight situations. He also mentioned that he could have healed fine with traditional FoL spam, but was trying to see if he could play as a hybrid. Anyway, this got me wondering as to whether it's likely they'll change JoL to act like JoW (i.e. able to proc for ranged and spells). Seems that this would need to be about the only change they'd really have to make to bring a holy paladin over into a melee-healer mode, at least for small instances.

Holy and gearing

It occurs to me that if they simply added a holy talent that converted str to int+mp5, they would essentially be able to make all paladin specs wear the same plate as Warriors and DKs, thus removing the need for SP/MP5/Int plate entirely. It seems like a rather simple change, if you think about it, and would eliminate a niche set of armor from loot tables entirely. It puzzles me as to why they haven't implemented this. Thoughts?

Is this correct? It used to be 9% from what I understand. Bumping JoW to 18% would be... enormous.

Rozetta,

Can't tell from the tooltip about scaleing, but will try to test when i get a second.

As for healing, its almost impossible to tell until heroics/raids, but with the great increase in mana costs, bigger downranking penalty, instant HL talent, and most importantly potion sickness indicates a change away from the current philosophy of spam healing back to the more enjoyable days of vanilla wow.

I would guess FoL+HS will be out core heals interspersed with instant Holy Lights. It will be more about efficient healing than spam healing.

This of course is just a guess, one i hope comes true as half the reason i went casual in wrath was due to healing becoming far less dull compared to vanilla.

Doh, i did a copy/paste of JoL line and forgot to edit this sorry. It's 9%.

Can anybody in the beta test how AoW now works? Can it be cast if stuned? Do you gain stun immunity during the duration?


Edit: and if it works while stuned, what happens with 1 point in AoW 33% -> click HoF until it works?