The Holy Paladin Guide for WotLK - Page 11

Endoscient · 11/10/08, 6:44 PM

I thought most of the time he was talking about normal auras, with some mentions to the imp versions, since at points he definitely was talking about their normal versions. In the future if you are ever talking about an imp aura please explicitly say Imp Conc (or Devo/Ret) when you mention it. This will help avoid a lot of confusion. But yes, lets please move on now.

Roknroll · 11/10/08, 7:00 PM

A few things to note on Holy Paladins builds for 25-man raiding:

1. You'll most likely have 2 Holy Paladins, so only 1 needs to get Improved BoW. That leaves the 2nd paladin with 2 free talent points that have be spent before moving past Tier 5 and then past Tier 7.

2. If raiding with an Unholy Death-Knight, they'll have Unholy Aura, saving you 2 points in from the ret tree in your standard 51/0/20 build.

3. Improved Devotion Aura doesn't stack with Tree of Life, so assuming you have a resto druid in the raid, improved devo doesn't grant any bonus other than a little more armor. Anyway, it's a very easy and natural talent for prot paladins to pick up if you bring one along. It's definately not worth picking up if you are going the holy route... way too much wasted talent in the prot tree to get it when you could just bring a resto druid.

So, assuming those two points, it'd be naturaly for the 2nd paladin to go for a 53/0/18 build and pick up aura master with improved concentration aura. I think this build for the 2nd paladin would work well for the group:
Holy 53/0/18

The first paladin (assuming you have an unholy DK, which we'll be bringing) would use a 51/0/18 build with 2 points left over to put wherever suites them best for the content. Unyielding Faith, Purifying Power, or Improved Judgements would all be decent places to put them.

Zarty · 11/11/08, 11:37 AM

Updated my gear spreadsheet.

Though I understand this is the PVE thread, it seems as if everyone is at least going to want the PVP libram due to the pathetic libram choices available in Wrath, particularly right at 80 the blue pvp one should be easy to acquire. With that in mind, does anyone understand how the PVP pricing works in wrath? It looks like there are three tiers of PVP gear at release, the 'deadly' arena/honor set (with required ratings on most of the gear), the 'hateful' set that seems to be purchasable with honor OR raid badges (emblems of valor), and the blue 'savage' set which seems to be purchasable with a mix of honor and arena points, OR heroic badges. Then to further complicate things, it looks like there is maybe a vendor in wintergrasp that sells some of the honor pieces at a reduced price? And it also looks like maybe some items that have a ratings requirement may actually have other versions in the game with the same name with no ratings requirement?

galzohar · 11/11/08, 11:42 AM

For the leftover points, I'd seriously consider pursuit of justice. Granted it's fight-dependent, but you can't really argue much against movement speed increases. Even if you only count it as 7% (compared to 8% boot enchant, unless they added a new one I didn't see yet), it's still pretty great.

A 2nd point in imp LoH may also be worth 1% less crit, but again it's fight-dependent.

Endoscient · 11/11/08, 12:04 PM

[Libram of Renewal] is the one I am going for first, it is a huge 9% reduction in HL cost. I am not sure where it is from though, I saw an unsubstantiated report it is from Badges. I will probably get a Savage libram first until I can get a Renewal.

Zarty · 11/11/08, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

[Libram of Renewal] is the one I am going for first, it is a huge 9% reduction in HL cost. I am not sure where it is from though, I saw an unsubstantiated report it is from Badges. I will probably get a Savage libram first until I can get a Renewal.

That one will be good to get, for sure, but I think only on specific fights unless I greatly underestimate how the healing is going to work in T7. It's [Emblem of Heroism] x15. The 25 man raid libram is pathetic: [Libram of Tolerance]

Aerynlore · 11/11/08, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

[Libram of Renewal] is the one I am going for first, it is a huge 9% reduction in HL cost. I am not sure where it is from though, I saw an unsubstantiated report it is from Badges. I will probably get a Savage libram first until I can get a Renewal.

That Libram is purchased with Emblems of Heroism which are the Badge of Justice equivalents for 10-man Naxx and Heroic 5-man instances at level 80. As a quick FYI: 25-man Naxx drops Emblems of Valor.

Endoscient · 11/11/08, 2:31 PM

Well remember even with lower gear levels we will be able to heavily use HL at the start of raid content. Since we essentially gained 13% crit since 2.x, 8% from Ret talents and 5% from Moonkin Aura. When you have 40% HL crit, Divine Plea, GSoW and [Libram of Renewal] you will be able to heavily work HL into your cast cycle. With some blue and some Naxx gear you should be able to maintain a 1:1 FoL to HL cast time rotation during a 6 min fight. With all of these buffs I was getting a very close HPM between FoL and HL, ~19 hpm for FoL and ~15hpm for HL. Once you get 4pc T7 (-5% HL Cost) it will be even closer.

I have it modeled in Rawr which is now almost totally updated for 80 and the new version is going to come out tomorrow, I'll post more on that when it does.

Roknroll · 11/11/08, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

I have it modeled in Rawr which is now almost totally updated for 80 and the new version is going to come out tomorrow, I'll post more on that when it does.

Can't wait for an updated Rawr. Is it going to include all the blues from reg/heroic dungeons? I'm interested to see how early I'll start replacing items. Anyway, with the Glyph of Holy Light changes, I'm finding myself using Holy Light a lot more. The AoE effect is healing a lot more and I don't have to worry about overhealing. I have a feeling that I'll keep it in my rotation more than I originally thought so the Libram reducing the mana cost seems useful to me.

On an entirely seperate note: what do you all think about the heavy trend towards haste in holy paladin itemization. I've been browsing some of the high level dungeon, naxx-10, and naxx-20 drops and the theme really seems to be haste. Sure, I like haste and all, but not on every piece of gear when it's sacrificing crit or MP5. Fully raid buffed we sit at 23% haste which brings the GCD down to 1.22 sec. Pretty nice for base haste if you ask me.

The counter argument in favor of haste, though, is if we see an increase in the use of Holy Light. With the way Glyph of Holy Light works coupled with mana reduction from the libram it might get used a lot more. In that case, the haste stacking does help.

Endoscient · 11/11/08, 5:53 PM

There is a button in the latest version that will load all known WotLK items from Wowhead.

Modeling of the Glyph of Holy Light isn't done currently, but I am going to try to get it done tonight. Probably just going to model it by having an option of the average number of procs per Holy Light

Roknroll · 11/11/08, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

There is a button in the latest version that will load all known WotLK items from Wowhead.

Modeling of the Glyph of Holy Light isn't done currently, but I am going to try to get it done tonight. Probably just going to model it by having an option of the average number of procs per Holy Light

Just re-downloaded the current version and can't find the button (version 2.0.3 from Rawr - Home). Can you help me out on where to look to load all WotLK items from wowhead?

• frmorrison · 11/11/08, 6:31 PM

Originally Posted by Roknroll

Just re-downloaded the current version and can't find the button (version 2.0.3 from Rawr - Home). Can you help me out on where to look to load all WotLK items from wowhead?

I have the same version (newest stable release) and there is no wowhead button. Possibly a beta release has it.

However, there is a load from Armory button, but it may be a week or so before Armory gets the new instance and quest items.

Endoscient · 11/11/08, 6:44 PM

Sorry when I said latest version I meant what we currently have in our source control, which will be released tomorrow. You can test it out now if you compile Rawr from latest source.

Roknroll · 11/11/08, 7:08 PM

thanks. anyway this is getting a bit off-topic. i'm going to delete out my posts tomorrow at release.

Zerodym · 11/12/08, 5:15 AM

You talked about healing rotation and 1:1 Fol / HL ratio. Is there no space for Holy Shocks? How do you see this spell now? I´m just curious since now in the current Sunwell im using it a lot more compared to before 3.0 patch.