Well the thing with HoS a tank without having a bubble up is simply you can prebeacon the tank and put HoS on the tank, I don't know of any encounter thats going to hit me for 20-24k when full raid buffed.

Not to mention now with the 20 points in prot it becomes a semi good idea to grab some extra stam to make use of a raid wall since now its a based percentage of your health.
And so is HoS now.

It comes to, why bring a Paladin when you can bring a Disc priest who can pretty much do the same thing?

The awnser right now is "Hey look I have this awesome raid wide 30% damage reduction I'm good for using on a 3D sarth run, I'm good for utilizing a survival situation in Immortal run, or even I'm good for using when starting Phase 2 of a 6 minute maly to help remain in a spark for as long as possible.
Hello I'm a paladin enjoy your kings.
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Lets stack Mana spring and Blessing of Wisdom!

Sacred Shield was an awesome skill that we got and they gave us the chance to make it even better, if prot had a talent to increase the ability of Beacon in some positive way would you not get it? It's almost the same idea in the end.

We have diffrent tools in 3.1 than some other classes really it comes down to utilizing them, makeing the best of them and getting your raid leader to go "Hey get so-and-so they're a great asset." Yea it brings back bring the class not the player to an extent but that never really left the game.

And when it comes down to raid healing, we have the advantage. Think what your melee is doing, they're all bunched up in one area, chances are you have more than 5 melee. But the beacon on a tank, heal the lowest melee person with HL while glyphed for HL as well, boom you've just now healed 7 people at maximum. Or you can go the other way and spam quick FoL while using HS every cooldown hoping for the crit heal, or simply just to get a nice bigger heal off than FL can provide. FoL worked in vanilla and BC, and it still can work.

But ultimatly what I'm trying to get at here is this is a good build to help you utilize t8, and secure yourself a raidspot because you can bring a lot of tools to a raid, hard mode is going to be hard friends, you'll need all the mechanics you can get.

I don't think holy shock is the tool to use on every CD to heal the MT whatever the bonus is. HS is mainly a raid saver. It is meant to be used while you are forced to move, when you want to save a DPS some time for reactive healers who need cast time, meant to be your way to catch up with your healing cycle if u fall behind for some reason. The HoT is a bonus but not a static bonus like the current T7 2piece bonus (instead it's RNG with your crit chance). It will most probably make PvP healadins happy for 2v2 rather than it makes raiding paladins happy.

To be fair, I don't think people are talking about Ulduar throwing enough damage at our tanks that 40% of it would oneshot you. I believe the general concern is that there is huge amounts of raid damage, and 40% of the tank's damage + raid damage WILL kill you. That's a pretty valid concern, especially on Kologarn.

I do agree with your comments about working to prove we're worthy to take to a raid. BT and Sunwell reduced us to, at best, 1 holy paladin per raid, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring more paladins than you have MTs. Unfortunately, holy paladins are fruit of the month right now, so you've got to really go for it to prove to your raid leader that you're the one he should take instead of the 15 others in your guild.

However...

...is sadly off the mark. We have anything but an advantage when it comes to raid healing. Every other aoe heal in the game has a 15 yard range (ours is 8 yard) and smart targets the lowest health member (ours does not). FoL is too far behind in HPS to be worth using now, and it's only going to get worse as raiding progresses. Consider that a Holy Priest can instantly heal the same amount of damage on 5 targets, with a wider range and automatic target prioritization, as it would take us 5.5 seconds to heal. There's really no way around this. You need aoe heals to heal aoe damage. Spending 1.1 seconds per target healing an aoe that hit 15 targets at once does not work. It's like a druid healing the MT using nothing but rejuvenation and lifebloom with no direct heals.

I don't know where you get the rolling hot from.
Has anyone been able to test the 2-piece set bonus?
I mean, won't it just be so that if you crit 10k with HS then you get a 1.5k HoT over the next 9 seconds.
If you crit again for 10k you either get another HoT for 1.5k over the next 9 seconds or in worst case it will overwrite the old HoT, making the rest of the old hot wasted.
From where do you get that it will stack up?

It is such a small amount healed relatively, and how easy it is for it to fall off (one non crit) that even if rolled that way it wouldn't be that useful or practical.

Not useful or practical to the point where we can suddenly stop HLing or something of the sort, but when we already have a relatively free glyph slot it's worth looking at.

No. rolling ignites have been fixed. Apart from latency / debuff lag issues, ignite ticks for exactly how much it is supposed to. "Rolling wounds" however works that way. So there is no clear evidence of how the HS hot is going to work.

Even if it was rolling: With lucky crits (with 70% crit it would be about a 25% chance to stack it 4 times) the maximum difference is only about 250 hps. I doubt it is feasible to spend 20% of your time using a spell with inferior hps to have the chance to get 250 more hps.

Don't forget that mana return allows more healing. Because of this, your best case throughput from splitting the talents is higher than the bonus from 5/5 Divinity. To provide numbers: 3% crit only costs 3 points to Divinity's 5, so you can take 3% crit and 2% bonus healing. This is worth (102% * 101.5% * 101.8%) = an average 105.4% bonus healing by the time you go OOM.

The only certain benefit Divinity provides is consistency. This may still be enough, but you cannot write off Sanctity.

1.8% is the mana return, you can't just turn around and say that is a straight 1:1 bonus to healing.

General Vezax is realy easy in terms of mana management. When we did his hard mode we just had 6 Healers on the Tank. Raid doesnt need any healing until the Void spawns. Two of those six were Paladins me and another. We split our roles, one just reactive shock on first hit on tank and proactive fol or reactive with instant on next hit the other did SS and reactive on second/third etc. Pretty simple.

For healing it i used the PvP Libram and 47/5/19
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9742

A holy doesnt judge, beacon is not needed and you only cast around 6 HLs @ voidspawn. Blessed life for voidspawn, aura mastery for more shadow dmg absorb on void, blessed hands because of HoS.


Much Int helps alot. Even with 3% overhealing you can be unlucky and get mana issues at around 20% of the fight (but doesnt matter you can zerg him at that time). Had 33k mana buffed when we fought him.

I've been using glyph of Holy Shock on the PTR. It's extremely useful on trash, plus I use Holy Shock on cooldown for Kologarn and Hodir. Since Ulduar makes Flash of Light obsolete (except on General Vsomething as I understand), there's no reason to use Flash of Light/Seal of Light glyphs. To me at least, it comes down to having a bit more mana every 11 minutes (less if you don't spec Imp LoH) or having HS on a 5s cooldown; so it's really no choice at all.


And IoL is still useful for saving mana on Holy Lights and healing on the move, 2 things that are very useful in Ulduar. Although it's probably the first 2 talent points you want to drop. It isn't terrible, it just isn't amazing anymore.