Can anyone confirm this new range from PTR?

were you at full mana for that? i.e. does it restore 7800 mana to yourself whether your target needs the mana or not?

Tooltip already reads 8 yards on live currently. What's to update? Perhaps this note was left over from before they decided to do 3.0.9?

I was thinking abit now when the new Lay on Hands glyph got introduced.(reduce the cooldown with 5 min.)

If you were an oldschool alliance paladin with 4 pieces of tier3 from old naxxramas at 60. ( Redemption Armor - Item Set - World of Warcraft ) and had the talent Improved Lay on Hands(reduce cooldown with 4 min) plus the glyph. You would reduce the cooldown with 21minutes.

But the cooldown however is only 20 min. So you would be able to spam Lay on Hands. Would probably be hotfixed very fast though.

A Lay on Hands without cooldown would bring up some strange healing builds, I guess going Holy/Deep Prot (%stamina talents) and stack stamina gear for max LoH heals... But as you said it will be fixed fast as hell since popping 25k heals that also gives the target mana and 30% armor buff, while costing zero mana for you might be considered a BIT op...

You don't even need to spec for anything (besides the talent that reduces LOH CD in Holy tree of course) and would still do fine in my opinion.

Glyph of Lay on Hands, if it's still a minor glyph, is really cool.

Just out of curiosity as I never had this glyph on live, either:
* When you LoH on a warrior, does it still count as "granted mana" and gives you mana, too?
* Since it now grants target twice as mana, and grants you the same amount it grants the target, does it grant the glyph user also get twice the mana of what is written on LoH tooltip? Anyone tried it on PTR?
* Glyph of Holy Shock, as already asked before, does anyone have a chance to confirm whether it's a major or a minor glyph?

I do not know in response to which post you wrote this, but everything you wrote are what we already know (patch notes).
Seeing we're currently discussing 3.1 stuff, I guess you are confirming that the glyphs major/minor status stay the same on PTR?

PS: I am still looking for answers to my questions in my above post.

Heya all, after seeing priests' buffs (circle of healing, prayer of healing group targetability, etc) combined with the glyph of holy light nerf (cannot crit anymore), i'm anticipating that holy paladins will dip even more on the meters on 25 men raids, (dunno if i missed something though).

I know that meters doesnt mean everything (for the good guilds anyways) and holy paladins are still great at single target healing (or duo target healing), but doesnt this disproportion of healing done on meters bother anyone, especialy the ones on guilds that are more "uninformed" about healing?


I say this because i've seen already a couple holy paladins saying "i'm always at bottom", and with 3.1 current changes our position seems to be diping even more, especialy if a ret paladin is in charge of JOL as it should be.


I know a lot can change ranging from less aoe raid damage, longer fights with more mana starved situations preventing the usease of a lot of aoe group heals from other classes, etc, but i'm starting to be a witsy bitsy worried about holy paladin lagging a little bit on options in high end content.

Probably just me, just wanted to gather some other opinions.

Cheers

Since I dont know what kind of raid makeups those paladins had, I can only give you anecdotal evidence.

I do not know of a single fight thus far in WotLK, where paladins have been near the bottom of healing, nor have I ever heard of such complaints.

I don't know about how the Ulduar fights will be but I don't get blizzards statements and their actions:

"there'll be less aoe damage"

and now they buff priest aoe healing to the skies while nerfing ours. We'll just have to wait and see

And in response to your healing meters:

I, for one, am always in the top 3 of Fight healing and 1 on overall healing. as you said it doesn't matter, but I don't see why everyone says they're lower while I'm really high all the time (unless all the other healers in my guild really suck, which they don't). All I can say is that a lot depends on your spell choices, and reaction time.