Paladin: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 143

Charybdis · 06/19/10, 6:53 AM

Glutton, are those crit values lumping in the debuff from Heart of the Crusader? Technically speaking character sheet crit would actually need to be 83.8% for judgements due to talents and 101.4% to cap the rest of the melee specials on a target affected by HotC or a similar debuff. I'm not totally certain on white swings because of the way glancing blows can work but it's likely white crits cap at 68.2%.

• frmorrison · 06/19/10, 8:47 AM

Originally Posted by Charybdis

Glutton, are those crit values lumping in the debuff from Heart of the Crusader? Technically speaking character sheet crit would actually need to be 83.8% for judgements due to talents and 101.4% to cap the rest of the melee specials on a target affected by HotC or a similar debuff. I'm not totally certain on white swings because of the way glancing blows can work but it's likely white crits cap at 68.2%.

Raid buffs (HotC, LotP, SoE, BoK etc) will help you reach the crit cap number. I could see a Pally hit the cap with all agility-based gear, but then that isn't the best gear to wear in the first place, regardless of the crit cap.

Glutton · 06/19/10, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Charybdis

Glutton, are those crit values lumping in the debuff from Heart of the Crusader?.

Yeah, the numbers I listed include Heart of the Crusader (and all other crit relevant raid buffs.)

justyips2 · 06/20/10, 3:23 PM

I have been seeing a trend in the end game tanks on my realm. They seem to be just completly ignoring expertise. From what my understanding of it is, it helps with our threat generation. Is there any reason to not be getting to at least 26 expertise?

Lord Loom · 06/20/10, 9:38 PM

What makes you think they're ignoring expertise? There's not that much ICC tank gear with expertise rating to begin with, and outside of a threat gear set few end game tank are going to waste gem sockets and enchant slots on expertise instead of more survivability. It's a great threat stat but with the availability of tricks and misdirects they probably just don't make gearing for threat their priority.

Goru · 06/22/10, 4:00 AM

Forgive my lack of searching skills, but is there a optimum gear list for paladin tanks for completing the 10man achievement Herald of the Titans - Achievement - World of Warcraft ?

Gallun · 06/26/10, 12:36 AM

OK, I've been looking for the simple answer here but after dozens of pages in this and the Field Manual I can't find a clear direction. So I'll put out a question.

I have some questions on a Prot Pally Talent Build (yeah I know there's about a dozen salivating already).
I'm currently a 5 man Heroic whore for the badges and what not, plus I like it. I'm getting into some of the 10mans and I like my prot build pretty well but I have 2 troublesome points to spend.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft is my 0/54/15 base.
This has been my thinking so far:
I love SOC, as there are so many multi pulls I need to get aggro on 3-4 mobs.
Vindication seems to be a good bet for me going into 10mans.
Only did 1 pt in Imp Judge as the other is wasted, so I tossed the other in might to get to 3rd tier.
I like PoJ as I would rather drop Tuskarr's for more survivability also getting the jump on a 3-4 pack and opening with hammer is functional as it saves AS and HoR for DPSers messing up and pulling.

So.. think that talks to where I spent points that are 'in debate' the others are pretty standard. Now where to toss the other 2?

Reduce my spell cost with 2 into benediction?
Toss 2 into Reckoning for some cool Pally-Windfury type action?
Any other suggestions/recommendations?

talchas · 06/26/10, 12:47 PM

Reckoning isn't all that great for bosses (although its significantly better with faster icc attack speeds), crusade is the best dps/tps talent you have available. Benediction is really not a very useful talent for prot, even for heroics/trash (you can even get rid of one point in SA and still be fine in heroics and overflowing in raids). In general if you want more info than this thread has, take a look over at maintankadin.

Truelywow · 06/27/10, 3:56 PM

It was asked of me to change my offspec to a ret model that decreases the cooldown of HoJ for the LK fight. Does anyone have a good model for this? It requires 15 pts in prot and I don't want to take away from talents that are most important. Thanks for any help!

Zalinda · 06/28/10, 10:31 AM

2/2 imp HoJ needs 17 points in prot, where we now only take 5.
You need to move in another 12 points, the obvious place for those is from the talents in Holy.
Which means about a 5-7% DPS penalty for no longer having seals of the pure

you also loose divine intellect which isn't as much of an issue, but it is less mana nonetheless, and less regen throughout which may have an impact on DPS as well (more DP's and/or less Cons).

You'll need another point from ret. Imp BOM is the easiest choice. But then you can just as well remove both, 1/2 bom is useless and spend the point elsewhere (1/5 SotP) would be the best choice imo. it's a DPS loss throughout the melee if you don't have someone else providing the (improved) buff then though.

Rannskita · 06/28/10, 10:22 PM

From personal experience I find it's down to what your raid needs and whether you have another Pala/Ret. If you're expected to have 2/2 and full raid buff utility as a solo ret, you can take 3 points out of Fantacism (and thus one out of Repentance) with a minimum dps loss if your tanks are fine on aggro during the fight (this allows 3 points in seals of the pure). If this is not an option, you could drop the SotP pointsone point from seal of command if (cleave)dps is not an issue in your raid, or one point from sheath of light if you need Soc Dps in your raid.
Alternately if you have another ret in your raid, you can coordinate buffs. For example, you can have one ret miss out imp BoM and the other Swift retribution, allowing full ret trees with both buffs covered (and one and two points in seals of the pure respectively).

Targh · 06/30/10, 5:46 AM

You haven't given much background here, but bear in mind that stuns have diminishing returns, so if there are several other stuns in action your lower CD will be wasted anyway. If your raid leader simply wants an extra emergency stun, would glyphing holy wrath be viable?

Davrix · 06/30/10, 6:50 PM

I am pretty sure there is a macro and I am being brain dead here but for the life of me i cant find it.

I keep clipping my GCD spells during my ret rotation, especially divine storm. IT will proc off my 2 peace ICC armor and I will go to
spam the button as it comes up but a lot of times it will just lock up halfway after the button press and reset itself. Is there a macro I can just bind each spell to prevent this from happening, I know I am loosing dps from all these spell clips especially when it gets bad and I have to press DS nearly 3 times before it goes off.

Exemplar · 07/01/10, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by Davrix

I keep clipping my GCD spells during my ret rotation, especially divine storm. IT will proc off my 2 peace ICC armor and I will go to spam the button as it comes up but a lot of times it will just lock up halfway after the button press and reset itself.

DS is going off. There's been a long standing issue with the client's GCD display if DS resets during its own GCD (i.e. you cast DS and your melee attack resets DS in the next 1.5 seconds). While your bar will show you are off the GCD, it is still active. Your spamming is the first DS, then multiple keypresses during GCD. As long as Judgement and CS haven't come off CD while you're spamming DS for the 2nd twirl, you have lost no DPS.

Unfortunately Blizzard has hinted that they like the idea of DS reset as a talent for Cataclysm. Hopefully if this becomes permanent (rather than T10 bonus) they'll take the time to iron out the glitch.

Cholez · 07/02/10, 1:17 AM

Originally Posted by Shldnhearth

Heroic Solace and Meteorite Crystal are generally considered BiS.

I don't see how Heroic Solace is better than the Purified Lunar Dust trinket. The purified gives more SP/mp5 than the heroic solace does. The purified also lasts for 15secs where the Solace is only for 10 secs. Is it because the Purified has such a low proc rate compared to the stacking buff from the solace?