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Old 12/23/08, 3:39 PM   #426
Andris
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Suramar
Out of curiousity, has anyone considered Enchanted Tear (+6 to all stats) for activating a Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, so that all other gem slots can go straight Bold? (+16 str)

With the current lack of a rare purple gem with strength on it, you're looking at something like:

15 Strength, 11 Stam, 8 crit in two gem slots. (Perfect Sovereign Shadow Crystal, Inscribed Monarch Topaz)
22 Strength, 6 Agi, 6 Stam, 6 Int in two gem slots. (Bold Scarlet Ruby, Enchanted Tear)

On the PTR, the Spiked Titansteel helm has been changed a lot -- it's now 97 str, 35-ish hit, and 53 crit with a blue/meta socket. I was thinking that you could put the RED/Enchanted Tear in that and always have the meta activated, leaving the rest of your gear free for Red or Red/Orange gems. Of course, if your meta-enabled helm has a different gem slot, you can always put the tear in a different Blue socket. (Blue sockets are best, because your only options are stam or mp5, and because Sovereign Twilight Opal isn't available yet.)

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Old 12/23/08, 5:12 PM   #427
Questioner
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by Andris View Post
Out of curiousity, has anyone considered Enchanted Tear (+6 to all stats) for activating a Relentless Earthstorm Diamond, so that all other gem slots can go straight Bold? (+16 str)
It has not only been considered, but recommended (see the Redcape thread, there is a post containing a probably optimal dps set).

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Old 12/23/08, 7:20 PM   #428
galzohar
Bald Bull
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
While it may not be economically possible for you, keep in mind JC is clearly the most powerful profession, and the meta gem activation is one of the reasons. I'm definitely leveling JC once I have the time to sit and buy/craft a crapload of items to reach 400 skill.

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Old 12/23/08, 11:08 PM   #429
The Astounding Sigmund
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Moon Guard
Simple question here; Meta gems.

While I'm aware that Chaotic Skyflare or Relentless Earthsiege is still likely my best choice, I'm considering trying out Thundering Skyflare. I know that the TBC version had an awful 0.7 PPM-Has the LK version changed this or is it still worthless?

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Old 12/23/08, 11:51 PM   #430
 frmorrison
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Ashstorm
Human Paladin
 
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Originally Posted by The Astounding Sigmund View Post
While I'm aware that Chaotic Skyflare or Relentless Earthsiege is still likely my best choice, I'm considering trying out Thundering Skyflare. I know that the TBC version had an awful 0.7 PPM-Has the LK version changed this or is it still worthless?
Still worthless. The 3% extra crit damage is what makes those metas on top of anything else.

The only reason not to use those metas is when you are doing PvP, and even then it is stretch to not use the extra crit damage ones.

Last edited by frmorrison : 12/24/08 at 3:04 PM.

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Old 12/24/08, 3:35 AM   #431
caboom
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Draenei Warrior
 
Grim Batol (EU)
I lately noticed my DPS is not as nice as some people reported in the ret thread, so I wanted to ask if there are some specific add-ons that could help me improve my rotation a bit and if ppl breaking the 5k dps mark(on PW for ex) use those?
I know my guild doesn't always have the perfect melee buffs available in raids but i doubt that's the only reason still, could it also be my low frame rate? I have like 8-10 fps on average on boss fights because all the flashes from spells on the boss.
What is the fps for you people breaking 5k dps?

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Old 12/24/08, 12:02 PM   #432
Thorin
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Human Paladin
 
Medivh
Originally Posted by caboom View Post
I lately noticed my DPS is not as nice as some people reported in the ret thread, so I wanted to ask if there are some specific add-ons that could help me improve my rotation a bit and if ppl breaking the 5k dps mark(on PW for ex) use those?
I know my guild doesn't always have the perfect melee buffs available in raids but i doubt that's the only reason still, could it also be my low frame rate? I have like 8-10 fps on average on boss fights because all the flashes from spells on the boss.
What is the fps for you people breaking 5k dps?
I'm not breaking 5k DPS, as I haven't ventured into 25 mans much yet, however an addon with timers/flashes will greatly help you until you get the timings embedded into your biological clock


I use the old SCT Cooldowns, but a lot of people are using Omni CC nowadays

However I'd suggest lowering your video setting in raids, specially spell/terrain/texture detail. As from experience I can tell you a bad framerate will make you a lackluster player, as you won't be able to move out of aoe damage on time (I used to get hit by the flame in Obsidian Sanctum with settings turned on too high)... and you will miss your Cooldowns, causing constant clashes, resulting in horrible DPS.

Remember to use the appropriate FCFS rotation, where in case of clashes:

Judgement > CS > DS > Consecration > (Exorcism > Holy Wrath)

If you constantly find yourself with too much mana on yourself, use Consecration (+Exorcism and Holy Wrath where possible) more often

keep in mind though, that the more addons you have, the slower WoW will run so only use those you NEED

Also for a 1% DPS increase in Nax remember to use [Glyph of Sense Undead]

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Old 12/24/08, 3:06 PM   #433
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by Thorin View Post
Remember to use the appropriate FCFS rotation, where in case of clashes:

Judgement > CS > DS > Consecration > (Exorcism > Holy Wrath)
Assuming you had lots of mana, use Cons before DS.

OmniCC is the best addon to have, knowing when cooldowns are up is important.

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Old 12/24/08, 4:58 PM   #434
galzohar
Bald Bull
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
10 fps will definitely have some sort of a hit on your DPS. Hard to tell how much, though, especially considering your 10 fps is probably not a fixed number by any means. But you will definitely notice a DPS increase if you get at LEAST 25 fps.

One thing you should never do is lower spell details to minimum, as it prevents you from seeing some abilities altogether, which can sometimes be gamebreaking. 1 above minimum will be fine for gameplay purposes, though.

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Old 12/24/08, 8:09 PM   #435
Arthaal
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Deathwing
Originally Posted by galzohar View Post
While it may not be economically possible for you, keep in mind JC is clearly the most powerful profession, and the meta gem activation is one of the reasons. I'm definitely leveling JC once I have the time to sit and buy/craft a crapload of items to reach 400 skill.
When 3.08 goes live, you could stop at 350 and still fully benefit, so the costs may be less then currently. BS/JCing here I come.

Percent modifiers R'US

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Old 12/26/08, 6:10 AM   #436
Cangiz
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Gnome Warlock
 
Shu'halo
What kind of DPS increase will 3.0.8 bring to a fully raid buffed ret paladin in a 25 man situation.(Percentage-wise)

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Old 12/26/08, 9:27 AM   #437
Exemplar
Bald Bull
 
Human Paladin
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Cangiz View Post
What kind of DPS increase will 3.0.8 bring to a fully raid buffed ret paladin in a 25 man situation.(Percentage-wise)
6%.

Vengeance goes from stacking 3 time (3*3% = 9%) back to stacking 5 times (5*3%=15%). 15%-9% = 6%. The changes to Seals of Command and Blood are tooltip changes - the actual numbers went into effect during a hotfix before Wrath.

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Old 12/27/08, 12:46 PM   #438
Vonhagen
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Chukkii View Post
with the new changes to SoC, would it be worthwhile to use SoC glyph'd and with say 1300+ spell power instead of SoB/SoM?
Even if it is close, I think the edge would still go to SoB/SotM, since you get the mana boost from Spiritual Attunement. SoC would have to do a considerable amount more than SoB/SotM for it to be viable.

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Old 12/28/08, 7:26 AM   #439
spanko
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Korgath
Someone told me today that if you have Fanaticism that the 25% crit chance to judgements doesn't work when you have Righteous Fury on, is that true? Forgive me if this is a dumb question but I re-rolled Paladin a week before WotLK and this is the first time I've heard this.

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Old 12/28/08, 8:22 AM   #440
aylen86
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Human Paladin
 
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Malygos (EU)
Originally Posted by spanko View Post
Someone told me today that if you have Fanaticism that the 25% crit chance to judgements doesn't work when you have Righteous Fury on, is that true? Forgive me if this is a dumb question but I re-rolled Paladin a week before WotLK and this is the first time I've heard this.
This is not true, or would be a heavy bug. While Righteous Fury is activated, the thread component (-30% threat) of Fanatiscm is disabled. That's it.

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Old 12/28/08, 8:13 PM   #441
Xequecal
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Khadgar
For a dwarf Ret Paladin, is [Titansteel Destroyer] still a better weapon than [Black Ice]?

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Old 12/29/08, 4:28 AM   #442
GAdmiralThrawn42
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Draenei Shaman
 
Twisting Nether
What are the best glyphs for Paladin tanks? I'm thinking of Major Glyphs of Spiritual Attunement, Divinity, and Seal of Vengance. Minor Glyphs of Lay on Hands, Sense Undead, and no idea for the third one. Any tips?

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Old 12/29/08, 7:24 AM   #443
Russta
King Hippo
 
Human Paladin
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by GAdmiralThrawn42 View Post
What are the best glyphs for Paladin tanks? I'm thinking of Major Glyphs of Spiritual Attunement, Divinity, and Seal of Vengance. Minor Glyphs of Lay on Hands, Sense Undead, and no idea for the third one. Any tips?
For majors, [Glyph of Judgement] is probably the only truly mandatory one. [Glyph of Seal of Vengeance] is quite amazing at this stage too but for how much expertise is littered around our tanking gear and how much we actually need it compared to the other tanks, it will likely go in the future when others are introduced. For now though, make that your second choice. Third one is really up to you though I personally use [Glyph of Righteous Defense] for lack of anything else seeming more attractive.

For minors, [Glyph of Sense Undead] is a no brainer. [Glyph of Lay on Hands] is probably the second best and the third? I use [Glyph of the Wise] so when I get low on mana I can just pop Seal of Wisdom and HotR it all back.

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Old 12/29/08, 10:06 AM   #444
gouldukat
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Human Paladin
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by Russta View Post
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Third one is really up to you though I personally use [Glyph of Righteous Defense] for lack of anything else seeming more attractive.
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3 th choice ? I think it needs to be the first, only for the fact that you need 17% hit to be capped on taunt on boss and i find me using it allot and all the time, so is better to not miss, then to get a wipe or some people die.

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Old 12/29/08, 12:40 PM   #445
Ambits
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Human Paladin
 
Rivendare
Based on my current gear and setup I'm doing around 2500-2700 dps in heroics and around the 3k mark in 10 man naxx, does this seem about right with my gear and specc and does anyone have any pointers on what I can maybe do to continue to increase it. I know I still have some blues but have been unlucky in drops in naxx curently so I just wanted to see others opinions.

Thanks

Last edited by Ambits : 12/29/08 at 2:04 PM.

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Old 12/29/08, 1:34 PM   #446
Ambits
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Rivendare
Does anyone know if beserking really is useful for paladin's on their 2hand weapons? I don't see it as a enchant in rawr and it would appear massacre is best instead of beserking according to RAWR, however this just doesn't seem right. I'm currently using beserking on my 2 hander and I'm about 300-400 dps above what RAWR says so I'm thinking its partly due to beserking.

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Old 12/29/08, 1:58 PM   #447
Russta
King Hippo
 
Human Paladin
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by gouldukat View Post
3 th choice ? I think it needs to be the first, only for the fact that you need 17% hit to be capped on taunt on boss and i find me using it allot and all the time, so is better to not miss, then to get a wipe or some people die.
If you taunt a lot than I don't really know what to say. Aside from the times where it's necessary to transfer threat (such as Gluth), I've can count on two hands the amount of times I've used Righteous Defense at 80.

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Old 12/29/08, 2:47 PM   #448
b14d3
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Ravenholdt
Edit: Removing my own post because I now found where it was mentioned!

Thanks anyway!

Last edited by b14d3 : 12/29/08 at 2:50 PM. Reason: Found my answer :-)

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Old 12/29/08, 3:33 PM   #449
Exemplar
Bald Bull
 
Human Paladin
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Ambits View Post
Does anyone know if beserking really is useful for paladin's on their 2hand weapons?
Berserker has been crunched before.

Short form:
Berserking can chain-proc, based on some testing it has an effective up time of about 1/3 of the time. This gives effective AP of ~132. So, yes, it's better than Massacre.

A RNG happy day and you could have 400 AP through entire fights. A RNG unhappy day and you could have no procs at all. However the average is noticably better than Massacre, especially for procs during AW.

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Old 12/29/08, 3:55 PM   #450
Ambits
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Rivendare
Originally Posted by Exemplar View Post
Berserker has been crunched before.

Short form:
Berserking can chain-proc, based on some testing it has an effective up time of about 1/3 of the time. This gives effective AP of ~132. So, yes, it's better than Massacre.

A RNG happy day and you could have 400 AP through entire fights. A RNG unhappy day and you could have no procs at all. However the average is noticably better than Massacre, especially for procs during AW.

Ok thanks I thought it was just wanted to make sure, I'm trying to maximize my dps the most I can so was just wanting to make sure. I'm trying to work on my gear as well now to maximize it for the most dps as well.

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