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Old 12/09/08, 1:41 PM   #301
Denogran
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Gilneas
Originally Posted by Jebraltar View Post
Having a larger HP pool tends to be a better use of gems than socketing for avoidance, especially considering that things like Sartharion with all three drakes up or Malygos involve gargantuan single-hit magic damage on you.
Originally Posted by Jebraltar View Post
The only reason not to use level 70 gear at 80 is that there's much better gear available, there's no "decay" built-in.
Once again, HP/mitigation vs avoidance is a personal preference - of both you and your healers. If your healers are comfortable reactive (or proactively anticipating) healing big spikes, then you'll actually take less overall damage in avoidance gear. Generally though, it will be some balance between the two, and where you're comfortable with that being will be up to you.

There is no "decay" on pure stats. Strength, spell damage, stamina will all give the same amount of benefit at 80 that they did at 70. Anything with a rating on it will decay though. Defense, crit, etc are all tied to the character's level.

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Old 12/09/08, 4:53 PM   #302
Raevi
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When you crit with Lay on Hands, should it proc the heal over time from Sheath of Light?

I've never seen LoH do so, but I feel like its a heal so it should; maybe I'm just missing something though.

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Old 12/09/08, 9:14 PM   #303
FitzVeritas
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Originally Posted by Raevi View Post
When you crit with Lay on Hands, should it proc the heal over time from Sheath of Light?

I've never seen LoH do so, but I feel like its a heal so it should; maybe I'm just missing something though.

I don't think you will ever see LoH crit as it heals the amount of health that the player has.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old 12/09/08, 9:16 PM   #304
Soralin
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Originally Posted by FitzVeritas View Post
I don't think you will ever see LoH crit as it heals the amount of health that the player has.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're wrong. (How's that for a simple answer )

LoH Can Crit.

I'm fairly sure Lay on Hands crits don't apply to Sheath of Light, which goes against the wording of the tooltip ("your critical healing spells heal the target for 60% of the healed amount over 12 seconds")

Having said that, it would be a rather ridiculous hot so I can understand it being excluded...

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Old 12/09/08, 9:22 PM   #305
FitzVeritas
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Originally Posted by Soralin View Post
You're wrong. (How's that for a simple answer )

LoH Can Crit.

Well, after I installed WOTLK I've never seen it crit while it did crit before WOTLK.

Lay on Hands
Instant cast
40 yards rangeHeals a friendly target for an amount equal to the Paladin's maximum health and restores X of their mana.

Equal means to me that it if I have 17k health it heals my target for 17k health and I've never seen the spell crit since WOTLK. That's why i think it won't crit.

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Old 12/09/08, 9:25 PM   #306
Soralin
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Wow Web Stats

You'll have to actually expand the columns to see number of crits, however you can clearly see that Oesophagus and Thordic got a critical Lay on Hands each during the course of the raid.

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Old 12/09/08, 9:29 PM   #307
FitzVeritas
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Originally Posted by Soralin View Post
Wow Web Stats

You'll have to actually expand the columns to see number of crits, however you can clearly see that Oesophagus and Thordic got a critical Lay on Hands each during the course of the raid.
Yes indeed you're right, said nothing then.
Thanks for making that clear for me as well then.

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Old 12/09/08, 11:24 PM   #308
Fiola
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Human Paladin
 
Skywall
Originally Posted by Soralin View Post
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LoH Can Crit.

I'm fairly sure Lay on Hands crits don't apply to Sheath of Light, which goes against the wording of the tooltip ("your critical healing spells heal the target for 60% of the healed amount over 12 seconds")

Having said that, it would be a rather ridiculous hot so I can understand it being excluded...
I'll confirm this. I got a LoH crit while running heroics Sunday night. Checking Recount after the fight, there were no ridiculously large SoL ticks, sadly. I guess a HoT worth 90% of the Ret paladin's max HP would be a bit much. = P

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Old 12/10/08, 12:11 AM   #309
Mosely!
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Sorry for these questions but I have not played WoW in over a year and I am thinking of leveling another paladin.

Is Judgment of the Pure worthless for pvp healing? Do you ever use HL for pvp?

Does Stoicism and Blessed Hands stack?

Does the silence/interrupt effect reduction of Imp Conc Aura apply to the paladin or just his group members?

The magic resistance buff from Sacred Cleansing, does that apply to all magic spells like a mage's fireball or lock's shadowbolt?

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Old 12/10/08, 12:21 AM   #310
Goru
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Simple question: is [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] worth investing in from a Prot point of view? And if it is, which version would be better - +90 str or +90 agi?

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Old 12/10/08, 12:47 AM   #311
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by Mosely! View Post
Is Judgment of the Pure worthless for pvp healing? Do you ever use HL for pvp?

Does Stoicism and Blessed Hands stack?

Does the silence/interrupt effect reduction of Imp Conc Aura apply to the paladin or just his group members?

The magic resistance buff from Sacred Cleansing, does that apply to all magic spells like a mage's fireball or lock's shadowbolt?
Not worthless, but I could see people dropping JotP for PvP healing. I use HL for PvP a lot.

Yes, they stack.

Imp Conc Aura goes to everyone in range.

No.

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Old 12/10/08, 12:55 AM   #312
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Originally Posted by Fiola View Post
I'll confirm this. I got a LoH crit while running heroics Sunday night. Checking Recount after the fight, there were no ridiculously large SoL ticks, sadly. I guess a HoT worth 90% of the Ret paladin's max HP would be a bit much. = P
LoH is likely removed from being affected by SoL, due to that being too good.


http://wowwebstats.com/fefqcc6wqlj2u?ab=48788 I got a 33k LoH crit with around 22k health, so it is affected by 6% healing buff.

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Old 12/10/08, 3:17 AM   #313
Prinsesa
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Echo Isles
Originally Posted by Goru View Post
Simple question: is [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] worth investing in from a Prot point of view? And if it is, which version would be better - +90 str or +90 agi?
Probably not.

If we compare it to the [Valor Medal of the First War]:

The Darkmoon Card's 90 AGI is worth 1.72% dodge
The Valor Medal's 84 dodge rating is worth 2.13% dodge

The proc is also quite uncontrollable and will never be AGI. It'll probably be STR, which works out to 253 BV after Divine Str, BOK, Redoubt and the BV meta. That's just barely better than the [Item not found!], and definitely worse than [Lavanthor's Talisman].

"We do want Sanctuary to be the tanking seal"

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Old 12/10/08, 4:55 AM   #314
Goru
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True, but that's the avoidance and mitigation part of the proc. If you add the threat and damage components of the proc would it make it at least on par with the other available tanking trinkets out there?

And another question, for those of you who had the benefit of Vigilance - is the threat loss manageable and worth the damage reduction that comes with it?

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Old 12/10/08, 5:36 AM   #315
caboom
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Originally Posted by Goru View Post
True, but that's the avoidance and mitigation part of the proc. If you add the threat and damage components of the proc would it make it at least on par with the other available tanking trinkets out there?
The main point you are missing here is that the proc is uncontrollable and when tanking something you're all about controlling your actions, that said considering the threat factor an on use or proc even BV trinket would probably better.

Originally Posted by Goru View Post
And another question, for those of you who had the benefit of Vigilance - is the threat loss manageable and worth the damage reduction that comes with it?
As far as I know the DR does not stack with Sanctuary, and it's probably worth it only if you severely outgear your tanking partner. A melee DPS(ret, dps warr, enh shammy) would be far better of having vigilance than you would.

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