Sorry if this was already mentioned in the threads, I skimmed through but couldnt find it anywhere.

Anyway, the current rotation Im running is AS, Conc, HS, Judge, Hotr, SoR. Is this a legit rotation?

I'm not sure where it is listed here, but on maintankadin.failsafedesign.com the consensus is that you follow the 96969 rotation (kudos to Psiven) basically alternating your "long" cd abilities with your "short" cd abilities.

Do not use the consecrate glyph (keep it 8 second cd) and it's triggered every 9 seconds. Same with holy shield (lasts for up to 10, can be refreshed at 8) - We trigger it every 9 seconds. Speccing 1 point into imp judgement fits in nicely with our rotation

0 Holy Shield
1.5 SoR
3.0 Judgement
4.5 HotR
6.0 Consecrate
7.5 SoR (7.5-1.5 = 6 seconds its off cd)
9.0 Holy Shield (9.0-0 = 9 seconds its off cd)
10.5 HotR (10.5-4.5 = 6 seconds its off cd)
12.0 Judgement (12.0-3.0 = 9 seconds its off cd)
Rinse and repeat.

I have been Holy from the day I hit 70 till just this month when I went Ret. I followed the basic PvE spec from the ret thread which included leaving out Vindication. However I just switched to a new guild (which is honestly just a family guild the does 10 mans and then grabs a few pugs for a weekly Naxx25 clear.) They just looked at my armory and asked why I took Pursuit of Justice instead of Vindication.

I have never taken the talent but it seems like bosses wouldn't be effected by a flat 20% stat loss. Even if they were it seems like most of those stat debuffs wouldn't stack or would be useless anyway. So it makes sense to me why I wouldn't take it for PvE but is there some kind of concrete proof that I can reference on why PoJ is a better choice than Vindication?

I tried searching this thread and the Ret thread and it didn't come back with anything outside of some JoW issues effecting Vindication.

With Vindication some NPCs can be afflicted by it but, all bosses are immune to it. This makes it worthless for the actual effect in a PvE environment. (pretty good for PvP though)
Pursuit of Justice helps give more time on target in mobile situations and can help out when dodging flame waves and dancing with Heigan to some degree.

neither are essential to PvE dps but one is better than the other in direct comparison.

PoJ also helps closing the distance to targets, which is useful since our class lacks a "charge"-like ability. Vindication affects *some* trash mobs, no bosses - PoJ provides no *direct* dps increase. Neither is 100% PvE useful, but PoJ tends to see more utility with survival and decreased travel time than Vindication.

PoJ (and Unholy Aura) provide a direct dps increase any time you have to move towards or away from a mob (nearly every boss except Patch).

My inclination is not, since Sacred Shield is based upon Spellpower, which Divine Plea has no effect on. You'd need to test this to be certain, but there's no apparent reason why it should.

there is no reason at all why sacred shield's effectivness would drop during divine plea. divine plea lowers your healing capabilities, but sacred shield doesn't heal, it is a flat damage reduction.

I was looking at Praetorian's recruitment advertisement for EJ. Among other things, he's looking for a Holy Paladin, and he asked a question:

Realizing the mage has aggro is easy, but how would you keep the mage alive?

My only thought is Righteous Defense/Hand of Reckoning, but then I die. Same thing with Divine Intervention. Hand of Sacrifice might help a bit, but I'm really expecting a mage to get one- or two-shot.

I suspect you've misread the post slightly. It's phrased as "Does he ever die if your Hand of Protection is off cooldown?" - ie, not on cooldown, hence available to be used.

I've been browsing through the forums trying to find out what a good ammount of haste for a holy paladin would be. I have seen posts stating that the soft cap for haste is 676.

My main question is, is this ammount of haste including raid wide buffs and JoTP, and if not what would be the haste cap with these buffs included?

for Ret Pally's....are you using a macro at all for your attack sequence? I am interested to find out if anyone has a decent one they use. I am a dreaded clicker and wanted to find out if there was anything out there macro-wise that you guys use

spam macros are a thing of the past, and if you use one, you are at best only doing 30-40% of the dmg that you should be doing. Judge/CS/DS/Cons/Exo/HW prioritized in that order, FCFS.

If you have no clue what im saying, go back to page 1 of the Ret thread and read.... read for at least an hour.

Actually, a decent macro would be closer to 80-90% of max. You wouldn't be losing that many casts. It's still lower than FCFS, and FCFS isn't that hard, so there's no need for a macro.

Does judgement go off melee or spell crit?

Melee crit.

Well, to be honest this isn't a fair question. There are 3 possible answers that I can see:

1) Melee Mob. HoP the mage, good to go.
2) Caster Mob. HoP the mage, dead mage.
3) Caster Mob. DS, HoR the mob, then Taunt the mob. that's 6? seconds of the mob beating on a bubble. This also means it's prolly standing next to you, and hence the other healers. Once the taunts are on CD, very likely they die.

The best answer is: HoP the mage, yell out on vent that there is a mob that needs to be picked up ASAP.

Taunting a mob is A) never a good idea. B) a good way to mess up tanks, and C) a good way to kill yourself.
Healer > 1 DPS who pulls aggro.

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Check out the secondary effect (Aura: Pacify). It instantly drops aggro, caster mob or not.

The question now is, will the Mage stop dps for 1 second and allow the tank to taunt, or continue attacking, thus reaquiring threat from a castermob inside the bubble. This is what kills people in bubbles vs. casters, being too stupid to stop for a second.

More than likely they will still be casting when the HoP went on them. Which is why I considered it a useless spell vs. a caster mob.

Sure, there's aggro drop. Until you do something.

Worse, since there is more than one mob up, there is a decent probability that they are either Blizzarding, or have a Flamestrike down. Or running up and arcane explosioning.

As well, a caster mob will continue to finish it's cast, even if you HoP them. unless the mage is very well prepared, or there are gimmicky mechanics in place (HKM, anyone?), they will likely get hit by a magic attack anyway. Doesn't mean it's going to kill them, but sure won't help them survive.

Luckily most mages seem to have a hotkey reserved for Ice Block.. close to whatever spam they have. smart mages will be popping that when they get aggro, regardless of what you do.

In either case, you should be attempting to save them w/ your cooldowns, but I wouldn't say at the cost of your life.

HoP lasts for 10 seconds, there's no reason the tank can't taunt in that time, mage continuing to be an idiot nevertheless.

But none of that was the point of the statement. Things like this measure the paladin's awareness (especially during trash pulls, when even the best players are usually not paying attention) and understanding/using all of the tools available to you. The actions of the mage should be independent of the actions of the player.

Yes, the mage failed in pulling aggro. But you also failed by not using HoP on him.

Hey I don't wanna bug anyone but I posted a question about professions relative to a Paladin above on page 26. I am new to the forums, so since someone else was answering a question just as I posted my question I didn't know if anyone noticed mine. I know not to bump a post so I won't post anything else until I see a response now. Thanks in advance to those that respond to it. Since my question is in the middle of a conversation I didn't know if I was in the wrong by posting this comment, so hopefully no one gets upset.