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Old 04/14/09, 9:24 PM   #1001
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by aesir315 View Post
Do we know yet if the extra attacks from reckoning will proc blade ward/blood resovior (I would assume they do, but assuming is dangerous)?
Not in this case! Reckoning is just another white attack, so it can proc those enchants. However, those only drop in Ulduar, so it may be a few until you can use them.

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Old 04/15/09, 9:46 AM   #1002
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What addon do you guys use to track your Beacon of Light? I used ClassTimers for a while with the Beacon target on focus but I don't really like that. I also tried AzCastBar with the Pally plug-in but it doesn't work 100%, sometimes it just doesn't notice that I cast Beacon.

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Old 04/15/09, 10:00 AM   #1003
Corazu
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Originally Posted by Easar View Post
What addon do you guys use to track your Beacon of Light? I used ClassTimers for a while with the Beacon target on focus but I don't really like that. I also tried AzCastBar with the Pally plug-in but it doesn't work 100%, sometimes it just doesn't notice that I cast Beacon.
You could try TellMeWhen, set up an icon for BoL and have it watch your focus - unfortunately I don't think there's a way to watch a target without it being your target or your focus - outside of writing an addon from scratch.

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Old 04/15/09, 10:28 AM   #1004
Caylynn
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Originally Posted by Easar View Post
What addon do you guys use to track your Beacon of Light? I used ClassTimers for a while with the Beacon target on focus but I don't really like that. I also tried AzCastBar with the Pally plug-in but it doesn't work 100%, sometimes it just doesn't notice that I cast Beacon.
I use Healbot, and it shows an icon on the frame of the person on whom I've cast Beacon of Light. When there isn't much time left on Beacon, it starts counting down - very handy. It does the same for Sacred Shield.

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Old 04/15/09, 10:30 AM   #1005
Akumasama
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I was wondering something about the FCFS clash situation.
"CS > HoW > Judgement > DS > Consecration > Exorcism > Holy Wrath"

I guess I should move DS one step up (inplace of Judgement) since I'm a noob Retradin who's still using the Venture. co Libram?

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Old 04/15/09, 11:48 AM   #1006
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Libram of Radiance is available to purchase from the EoV Quartermaster.

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Old 04/15/09, 11:48 AM   #1007
Lindsfarne
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Is the Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket better than the 44AP enchant now? Are Hyperspeed accelerators better than the HMPR?

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Old 04/15/09, 2:25 PM   #1008
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Originally Posted by Lindsfarne View Post
Is the Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket better than the 44AP enchant now? Are Hyperspeed accelerators better than the HMPR?
Since the rocket is a "spell" it may reset the swing timer, however I cannot test it.

Assuming it doesn't reset the swing timer, then Rocket > Hyperspeed > Crusher. If it does reset the swing timer, then it would be the worst of the three.

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Old 04/15/09, 3:44 PM   #1009
Lindsfarne
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In a related manner, on Redcape's spreadsheet the 32 AP boot enchant shows about a 10 DPS difference between for me between that and 16 passive crit rating (now part of the Nitro Boost tinker). I have to believe that that 2 second burst of speed is going to be worth a lot more than 10 dps on some fights, especially considering some of the discussion on how good increased run speed is for melee in the later pages of the 3.0 thread. Does anyone disagree?

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Old 04/15/09, 4:07 PM   #1010
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Originally Posted by Easar View Post
What addon do you guys use to track your Beacon of Light? I used ClassTimers for a while with the Beacon target on focus but I don't really like that. I also tried AzCastBar with the Pally plug-in but it doesn't work 100%, sometimes it just doesn't notice that I cast Beacon.
You can use DoTimer to track your BoL. It does a good job of tracking SS and your JotP buff as well.

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Old 04/16/09, 6:05 AM   #1011
HamSlammer
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I've got a question regarding Divine Sacrifice and it's respective damage cap (150% HP). If you Divine Shield then pop Divine Sacrifice, will it redirect 30% damage for the duration of Divine Shield and effectively not cap at 150% since no damage is actually being dealt to you.

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Old 04/16/09, 9:16 AM   #1012
Cytokinesis
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Two food questions, for a non hit capped prot pallie is hit food better for threat than a fish feast?

For a ret paladin, is strength food better than a fish feast? (Given the extra spellpower on the fish feast)?

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Old 04/16/09, 10:03 AM   #1013
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For a prot paladin: It depends a lot. Usually the hit food will win. The real question is why aren't you using Str food? Superior threat and survival over the other two you're looking at.

For ret: Str food is a little bit better than fish feast. But if you are at least 40 hit below the hit cap, you should use hit food over either.

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Old 04/16/09, 11:24 AM   #1014
Thorin
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Hand of Protection / Divine Shield + Divine Sacrifice

Yesterday I was trying this on XT-002...

Whenever XT did his Tympanic Tantrum - Spell - World of Warcraft (Physical damage)

I would Pop
Divine Sacrifice - Spell - World of Warcraft

and then use
Hand of Protection - Spell - World of Warcraft

alternatively I would use
Divine Shield - Spell - World of Warcraft

what happened to me more than a couple of times is that once shield ended I would drop like a stone, I take it this was because I was popping shield before Sacrifice, or because i was a victim of the GCD.

1) Does anyone have any ideas how to use this combo the best way?

2) A list of when and in which encounters to use it could benefit the community, so far I have found it useful during
3) Also if anyone could post their a cast sequence macro for either of the above mentioned combos, it'd be much appreciated.

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Old 04/16/09, 12:17 PM   #1015
Exemplar
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Originally Posted by Thorin View Post
1) Does anyone have any ideas how to use this combo the best way?

3) Also if anyone could post their a cast sequence macro for either of the above mentioned combos, it'd be much appreciated.
1) How about wait 1-2 seconds after Tantrum begins, pop bubble, Divine Sac. Bubble wears off at end of Tantrum or right after. Sac lasts another 1.5-2 seconds but after the danger is past.

3) #showtooltip
/castsequence [reset=300] Divine Shield, Divine Sacrifice, Hand of Protection, Divine Sacrifice

Or two macros
#showtooltip
/castsequence Hand of Protection, Divine Sacrifice

#showtooltip
/castsequence Divine Shield, Divine Sacrifice

I don't believe you can effectively use a modifier in a castsequence, so two buttons/hotkeys.

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Old 04/16/09, 12:56 PM   #1016
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Originally Posted by HamSlammer View Post
I've got a question regarding Divine Sacrifice and it's respective damage cap (150% HP). If you Divine Shield then pop Divine Sacrifice, will it redirect 30% damage for the duration of Divine Shield and effectively not cap at 150% since no damage is actually being dealt to you.
During PTR if you bubbled it would not break Divine Sac. It appears that has been fixed on Live.

You certainly want to Bubble before using Sac in a 25 man always, in a 10 man you may be able to get away with using Shield Wall + LoH if necessary, not so much in 25 man.

Originally Posted by Cytokinesis View Post
Two food questions, for a non hit capped prot pallie is hit food better for threat than a fish feast?

For a ret paladin, is strength food better than a fish feast? (Given the extra spellpower on the fish feast)?
Strength food is about 8 dps better than fish feast, however the extra spell power will help you SS be stronger, and the fish may be "free".

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Old 04/16/09, 1:15 PM   #1017
Jaydin
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Not to wishlist, but would it not make a bit more sense to have DSac off the gcd? I myself have insta-gibbed myself on trash "experimenting" with how much damage I might take with bubblewall up...needless to say I took far too much (25 man). Putting it off the gcd would allow you to macro it in with DS and BoP with no castsequence or overlap on coverage (thanks by the way - didn't realize bop would protect against the damage).

One question - Is all the incoming damage physical? In other words, does all incoming damage get nullified with BoP, or will BoP only protect against physical incoming raid damage (still leaving the possibility to getting smashed if the damage isn't absorbed)?

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Old 04/17/09, 6:18 AM   #1018
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From what I've noticed yesterday the damage you take from Divine Sacrifice is the same damage type as the damage it's redirecting. Yesterday at XT-002 Deconstructor I was taking no damage from Tympanic Tamtrum while it was up if I used Hand of Protection at the same time, but I was taking damage from those who had either a Gravity or Light Bomb on them.

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Old 04/17/09, 3:59 PM   #1019
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Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
During PTR if you bubbled it would not break Divine Sac. It appears that has been fixed on Live.

You certainly want to Bubble before using Sac in a 25 man always, in a 10 man you may be able to get away with using Shield Wall + LoH if necessary, not so much in 25 man.
I used Bubble+Divine Sac on Mimiron ph2 and took damage the whole time (spammed by zeroes on my sct).

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Old 04/17/09, 6:39 PM   #1020
Clorixi
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2 questions and 1 confirmation of sorts.

What's the best libram to get for ret now? the EoV one? (I havent even seen it, so I dont know.)


Everyone says ret should use judgement of light. I'm the only paladin in my raid (for 10 man) and 1) I run out of mana awfully fast and 2) I don't see the damage increase that others swear by. Am I messing something up?

annnd

I have almost no expertise. (9?) Should I gem for that until I hit the cap and then get str?

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Old 04/17/09, 7:45 PM   #1021
camtheman
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I don't believe there is any dps increase to Judge of Light as opposed to Judge of Wis

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Old 04/17/09, 8:07 PM   #1022
Sessa
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Originally Posted by Clorixi View Post
2 questions and 1 confirmation of sorts.

What's the best libram to get for ret now? the EoV one? (I havent even seen it, so I dont know.)


Everyone says ret should use judgement of light. I'm the only paladin in my raid (for 10 man) and 1) I run out of mana awfully fast and 2) I don't see the damage increase that others swear by. Am I messing something up?

annnd

I have almost no expertise. (9?) Should I gem for that until I hit the cap and then get str?
The best libram is the [Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude] until the furious version is available. This is especially so now that the buff lasts 10 seconds instead of 6.

You should judge light only if there is another paladin to judge wisdom. If there is not, it is highly recommended to judge wisdom with the exception of fights with a great amount of raid damage.

Your DPS will drop or rise depending on your current gear set up. You should not gem for expertise, only gather it from gear. You should gem for hit until hit capped (263 rating, 230 w/ draenei aura) and then strength all the way.

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Old 04/17/09, 8:34 PM   #1023
Clorixi
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Ah, okay.

Between the Venture Co. and the EoV, which is better for our dps?

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Old 04/18/09, 7:08 AM   #1024
estarius
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Venture Co. got an upgrade version in Ulduar:
[Libram of Discord]

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Old 04/18/09, 11:29 AM   #1025
OnTheHissay
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How much dps are our glyphs worth, and are we happy with where "we are" with them atm? From what I can derive from Rawr, they're worth about 185 dps to me in my current gear, and that's all 3 (Judge, Exo and Cons). Is this in line with other damage dealing classes gain from glyphs?

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