Paladin: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 50

kharen · 02/24/09, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ciremo

Concerning the new SoR, I haven't gotten time to see if my tankadin is on the ptr yet, but can anyone tell me if Shield of Righeousness got buffed or nerfed in terms of threat?

It's 130% blockvalue + 520 baseline (ie, the same as it is on live with the +30% damage from Shields of the Templar). So unless they've monkeyed around with any hidden threat coefficients, no change.

Soralin · 02/24/09, 10:27 PM

Shield of Righteousness now deals 130% of block value + 520 at the highest rank. It no longer causes a high amount of threat. (Previously increased damage by a set amount)

Emphasis mine. The amount of damage it deals is the same as stated by Kharen above, however the threat should be nerfed. I'm not sure by how much though.

Russta · 02/25/09, 1:19 AM

Originally Posted by Soralin

Emphasis mine. The amount of damage it deals is the same as stated by Kharen above, however the threat should be nerfed. I'm not sure by how much though.

Shield of Righteousness has never given additional threat despite what the tooltip says.

kharen · 02/25/09, 1:24 AM

Originally Posted by Soralin

Emphasis mine. The amount of damage it deals is the same as stated by Kharen above, however the threat should be nerfed. I'm not sure by how much though.

AFAIK it's never had a threat mod on live, beyond the standard RF modifier (it did at one point in beta, but that was removed before it went live). So it's really just a tooltip correction.

Solieu · 02/25/09, 4:13 AM

Originally Posted by OnTheHissay

With the latest stable Rawr (v2.1.9), I'm getting highest dps by skipping Valorous bonuses all together, only using the shoulders and the BiS offset pieces. Can this by correct or is Rawr's calculation of the set bonuses flawed? I was trying to find somewhere in Rawr where I could view the value it put for 2pc and 4pc bonuses, but I couldnt't seem to find it..

Rawr.Tankadin 2.1.9 does not model the set bonuses. For that matter it doesn't implement Shield of Righteousness (and thus BV) into threat rotation and thus ThreatPoints.

Ermad stopped work on Rawr.Tankadin, and I am picking it up.

I'm working on a lot of improvements, and set bonuses are next on the list.

It's not in the current 2.2.0 beta, but my changes might hit the next beta.

kharen · 02/25/09, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by Solieu

Ermad stopped work on Rawr.Tankadin, and I am picking it up.

I'm working on a lot of improvements, and set bonuses are next on the list.

It's not in the current 2.2.0 beta, but my changes might hit the next beta.

Good to hear someone's picked it up. Any hope of useful conditions being added to the optimizer soon? Not being able to add a [chance to be crit <= 0] type condition makes it rather useless right now (and various others would be great to have too, such as being able to optimise a set for block capping while maintaining X hp, or whatever).

[edit: just noticed your post in the Rawr thread in Class Mechanics, and see you're on top of things on the optimizer condition front, excellent.]

Yacad · 02/27/09, 3:49 AM

How much hit should i have as Retribution in PvP? I have currently socketed for hit since i kept missing but even with 4% i still miss judgments quite often.

• frmorrison · 02/27/09, 9:29 AM

Attacking another PvP spec Paladin without missing Judgement requires 9% hit rating (5% base + 4% Divine Purpose). In addition, a Night Elf has 2% miss base, so you need 7% hit to not miss with a melee attack.

My Ret PvP set has 5.2% hit rating.

gouldukat · 02/27/09, 6:10 PM

Some other people ( over all Human ) then seems our CS got hot fixed in half of hes melee range ?
Is really hard now to hit mobs, keep getting out of range but i can melee them but not CS them, same in PvP.

Some clue ?

aschinis · 02/28/09, 1:29 AM

As a high level holy paladin with mostly best in slot gear for my class, I'm currently attempting to min/max and fine tune my character.

Right now, I'm looking to find the perfect balance between spell crit rating versus mp5, as to help me socket my gear properly. Any insight that could be provided in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thebride · 03/01/09, 4:18 PM

Has anyone seen a crazy crit in naxx25? We were on Instructor Razuvious and I had a SoB crit for 98887. I looked thru the WWS, and didn't see any special buffs that I got from anywhere. Just wondering how crazy it was that I was at full health one sec, and then I was dead on the floor the next (obviously from the SoB return onto myself).

Here is a link to the WWS

Wow Web Stats

TimWischmeier · 03/01/09, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Thebride

Has anyone seen a crazy crit in naxx25? We were on Instructor Razuvious and I had a SoB crit for 98887. I looked thru the WWS, and didn't see any special buffs that I got from anywhere. Just wondering how crazy it was that I was at full health one sec, and then I was dead on the floor the next (obviously from the SoB return onto myself).

Here is a link to the WWS

Wow Web Stats

The adds are affected by this debuff when Instructor Razuvious dies:

Hopeless - Spell - World of Warcraft

Thebride · 03/01/09, 4:36 PM

tyvm, I just found it on the Understudy debuffs

• Mex · 03/01/09, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by aschinis

As a high level holy paladin with mostly best in slot gear for my class, I'm currently attempting to min/max and fine tune my character.

Right now, I'm looking to find the perfect balance between spell crit rating versus mp5, as to help me socket my gear properly. Any insight that could be provided in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

If you want to fine tune your character, make an effort to understand which stats are beneficial under which circumstances. We are not a DPS class, you can't simply say X crit is always worth Y MP5. There is no "perfect balance." There isn't really any special insight required, just a basic understanding of the various advantages of different stats in different situations.

Solieu · 03/02/09, 4:58 AM

Rawr 2.2.0beta now includes my Rawr.Tankadin changes. I won't go through the list of changes at risk of making duplicate posts, but get it here: Rawr - Release: Rawr 2.2.0b3