Assuming a raid with one dps Warrior, non-Warrior tank, and one Paladin, the Pally should be putting up Kings and the dps Warr Battle Shout. Kings is better than Commanding Shout.

Kings is better than commanding shout for dps but depending on the fight the tank may prefer the benefits of commanding shout and thus the paladin should use might. Additionally, hunters may want might on themselves (depending on fight and spec) even if there is a warrior to battle shout due to the short term duration and range they may prefer the dependable AP of BoM over the sometimes unreliable benefit of battleshout.

If a tank prefers 2215 HP (or around 2800 if a dps Warrior) over 10% more stamina, strength and agility, they do not know game mechanics. I have a half blue/half epic geared tank DK, and Kings is better than Commanding already.

I don't know about Hunters and how often they would get Battle shout to know the best single Blessing, that is something a Hunter could chime in about.

I have a silly question, but when I got Kel'thuzad's Death's Bite, I put berserking on it, and swapped my titansteel destroyer with +85 ap on it, for it.

But now I see drops of dps by a lot, not just a few points, in a lot of bosses/naxx fights I see a decrease of 200-800 dps. For example, on Loatheb I usually do 4500-4700 in a 10 man, and when I was using my axe I did 3900.

Is there something I can do to get back up?

My first thought would be a change in hit and/or expertise seeing a comment like that. I think Death's Bite has more hit then the Destroyer, but I don't have stats in front of me. Being a human you lost your racial expertise by switching from a mace to and axe, so that could be part of it. Also, with Beserking RNG will play a factor, so you may see more variation in DPS then you are used to. There could have been differences in your Raid buffs, and for Loatheb you could have picked up fewer spores or spent more time running to get spores, more time attacking from the front or any combination thereof.

Unfortunately without any logs it is difficult to say for sure. Hopefully someone will take a peek at your armory and perhaps offer additional insight. Overall it is unquestionably a better weapon (higher dps, better top end) with a superior enchant.

It seems likely that your 2h axe skill is not maxed. Although not the best indicator since it can bug out; your armoury says you don't have 2h axe maxed under the master of arms achievement. You could also increase your dps by dropping the hit gem; and the icewalker; you may be holding out for new boots though I suppose.

This is situational, though.

On a fight where tank survival is the limiting factor, you'll want BoK+CS on the tank, and under that circumstance it's often worth settling for CS+BoM on the melee.

Oh, while I'm asking dumb questions.

I got [Chestplate of Vicious Potency]

Rawr says it's 50~ish points better, but before I drop all the money enchanting/gemming it up, is it worth losing the second on the cooldown for?

Also, since I have plenty of hit should I gem for expertise?

As a ret (0/19/52) I was wondering with the recent Vindication change if it's still worth my extra 2 points. Is it still worth it? Or would my 2 extra points be worth dumping in say Swift Retribution?

Edit: This is for pvp.

I picked up Ancient Iron Heaume since I saw it being tossed about in a number of BiS setups (ignoring 4pct8) and I was wondering what others thought regarding 4pc8 with Gauntlets of the Thunder God vs 4pc8 with Ancient Iron Heaume, until I can pick up some items like 002 hard chest.

A guildie of mine (I don't raid as holy since wotlk) actually has all those items (5/5 + thunder god + ancient iron + xt chest), combined with both the plate and mail craftables (yes, all of them.. he's a bit insane ).
According to his RAWR, thunder god is the best non-tier item.

I suggest you check it for yourself though, RAWR is very dependant on your playstyle/settings.

Gem and enchant [Chestplate of Vicious Potency]. You should see a DPS increase from it over 10m t7 chest even though you lose the -1 to Judgement CD.

IIRC, Rawr factors in our set bonuses for both t8 and t7. Use the search feature next time, it easily would have directed you to a few posts that state 4pct7 isn't worth it anymore.

As for gemming for expertise? I personally say no. Gem for strength if you are hit capped and let expertise come from gear. There is plenty of it in Ulduar. Others advise to indeed gem for expertise. Use rawr, check to see if gemming expertise in your current gear would result in a dps increase over gemming for strength.

Not a specific Paladin quastion, but ill put it in here since it somehow does affect us

How can i find out, how much Dmg my Shields absorb during a Raid?
Neither Skada, nor WWS nor WMO showed it to me last night :/

I was using [Ancient Iron Heaume] until when I got the [Gauntlets of the Thunder God]. I personally will be using the gauntlets as the non-tier item until I get [Breastplate of the Devoted] from XT-25-hardmode.

Rawr, as many would suggest, would let you make a good comparison suitable to your healing style. But stats-wise the tier helm+10men hardmode gloves look superior than tier gloves+heaume.

Recount has a module that will guess at shield absorbation. In addition, World of Logs also will guess at shields, by adding SS and DiSac absorbs to your healing done. As Ret (since I have 17 Prot and always have a SS on someone) it counted for 9% of my effective healing last raid (since JoL is really powerful).

My personal opinion is that its definitely the racial expertise you lost, considering your expertise is so low currently. It was since 3.1 determined that Ret is much more reliant on Hit and Expertise than was thought at the outset of 3.0. You're at the Hit cap (over, if you have a Draenei), but your expertise skill is only 8 (cap is 26.5%).

I would, personally, swap a lot of those Str gems for Expertise gems until you get much much closer to the cap. Also bear in mind that your next weapon upgrade may necessitate you again adding or losing expertise due to your racial.

Personal opinion aside, at the time of his post his 2h axe skill was not at max skill. Hence the problem. Check the dates on posts. His was two days old and had already been addressed (a few times) when you posted.

I advise against swapping Str gems for Expertise as they are about even in their worth. Remember Str scales with many things, whereas Expertise doesn't. (Though low Expertise is indeed a dps loss.)

Edit: Clarification.

The latest version of Rawr has expertise's relative stat value a decent amount higher than strength (1.72 v. 1.49), at least in my gear. Redcapes sheet, on the other hand, shows strength edging out expertise 1.66 to 1.64, so the jury is still out.

Suffice it to say that if you're already gemmed for strength there's really no reason at all to regem. However, if you're looking to gem a new piece of gear, you're pretty safe going with whatever is cheapest on the AH.

Hey everyone..

I really need some help with my retribution Paladin..

I got 4100 AP unbuff and 4700 selfbuffed, and 27% Crit unbuff..

and i just got Belt of the Titans and Battelord's Plate Boots.

I socked the Titan belt with 3x 16 str gems, and the Battelords boots are unsocked so fare.

I dont know if i should replace the 3x 16 str gems, and get 8str and 8 Crit and do the same in the battelords boots ?

Do i really need more AP ?
Or should i boost my Crit ?

For gemming purposes, str is always better than crit. The only time you should socket anything other than str is for hit or expertise capping, or for activating a meta gem (and even gemming for expertise is arguable - the value varies slightly, but is generally more or less equivalent to str, depending on the rest of you gear; check with Rawr or one of the spreadsheets to be sure).

Also, your profile seems to be broken; there doesn't appear to be any draenei paladin called Faxi on Tarren Mill (EU), or on any server at all, for that matter.

You can check my Amory now, i have updated it.

can u please check my profil and send me a msg back ?

And the boots are gonna be enchanted with 32 ap

Does beacon work with line of sight?

My first thought is that it does because i could have sworn that ive been in arenas many times and beaconed my partner and gone los, healed myself and hes gotten heals.

The significance of this question has to do with the 3.2 buff of beacon, im wondering just HOW OP it will be for arenas. Los full heals on your partner? If that is the case. But I've got conflicting reports saying no it doesnt work and yes it does from wow forums and arena junkies etc.

It would be nice to get a solid yes or no from a source I trust to not be retarded.
Thanks