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10/04/09, 12:07 PM
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#1676
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Glass Joe
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Is there an addon that can track the Seal of Vengeance DOT on my target? I don't necessarily need the functionality of ForteXorcist to track it on multiple mobs, just my main target. Any ideas?
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10/04/09, 12:11 PM
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#1677
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Bald Bull
Human Paladin
Darksorrow (EU)
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10/04/09, 2:23 PM
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#1678
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Jaedenar (EU)
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Thanks for the reply.
Is it possible to make the mouseover on spells like Hand of Salvation and Hand of Protection?
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10/04/09, 8:48 PM
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#1679
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Baelgun
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Does beacon of light work if you put it on the tank and heal incinerate flesh during the lord jax fight?
some guy told me the beacon wont get heals, and i have not seen this happen.
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10/04/09, 9:38 PM
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#1680
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by darthceltic
Does beacon of light work if you put it on the tank and heal incinerate flesh during the lord jax fight?
some guy told me the beacon wont get heals, and i have not seen this happen.
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He was wrong, the tank will still receive the heals.
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10/05/09, 3:49 AM
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#1681
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Glass Joe
Human Paladin
Argent Dawn (EU)
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Originally Posted by Dirtmcdirt
He was wrong, the tank will still receive the heals.
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Did they fix this after the encounter was first released? I know that the first time we tried Jaraxxus, the heals on an incinerate flesh target definitely were not transferring to the beaconed person.
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10/05/09, 4:18 AM
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#1682
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Гордунни (EU)
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Well it is in some patch notes. 3.1 or 3.2. try looking there. There is said that beacon is now 60y range and heals include overhealing. You can actually see this on Gormock. Keeping beacon on non-tanking tank and spaming heals will keep both tanks alive.
Also beware of that 60y range. I found out that it's not that much big distance.i.e. if you stand on star corner, person near opposite wall might just be out of range.
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10/05/09, 5:08 AM
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#1683
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Glass Joe
Human Paladin
Argent Dawn (EU)
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Originally Posted by Irri
Well it is in some patch notes. 3.1 or 3.2. try looking there. There is said that beacon is now 60y range and heals include overhealing. You can actually see this on Gormock. Keeping beacon on non-tanking tank and spaming heals will keep both tanks alive.
Also beware of that 60y range. I found out that it's not that much big distance.i.e. if you stand on star corner, person near opposite wall might just be out of range.
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Yes, I know about the changes to beacon in the last major patch, but I was talking about incinerate flesh on the Jaraxxus fight. On Gormok and many other fights beacon works beautifully. But on Jaraxxus, healing up the target with incinerate flesh does not seem to transfer the heal to the beacon (although I haven't checked recent logs - I know it was like that when the encounter was first released) due to the fact that when healing incinerate flesh, you aren't actually healing the person per se, but removing the debuff. So for Jaraxxus, I've been beaconing the off-tank and healing the main tank, so that I get the most use out of beacon (full heal including OH being transferred). So I was just wondering if they had changed incinerate flesh so that the heal actually does go through to the beaconed target.
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10/05/09, 12:07 PM
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#1684
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Glass Joe
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I am trying to set RAWR prot module up to give me the correct stat values for T9 25 man content. I can see what the sliders are doing but am not sure where they should be for this content. The druid module lets you select the tier, size, and hardmode or not which is awesome. I would like to adjust the stat values to give a similar output for the prot paladin module. Any advice on what I should adjust them to and which scale is the best to use?
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10/05/09, 1:18 PM
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#1685
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Piston Honda
Draenei Paladin
Stormrage
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I have both [Wisdom's Hold] and [Bastion of Resolve] (ilevel 245 version, for some reason the item tag is picking up the 258 version) and am having a really hard time choosing between them. Assuming you use a 20 INT gem, Wisdom's Hold gives 10 more INT and 12 more STA and Bastion gives 3 more haste, 10 more crit and 12 more SP.
Which would you consider the pre-258 BiS?
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10/05/09, 7:26 PM
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#1686
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Protector
Ashstorm
Human Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by jdh79
I have both [Wisdom's Hold] and [Bastion of Resolve] (ilevel 245 version, for some reason the item tag is picking up the 258 version) and am having a really hard time choosing between them. Assuming you use a 20 INT gem, Wisdom's Hold gives 10 more INT and 12 more STA and Bastion gives 3 more haste, 10 more crit and 12 more SP.
Which would you consider the pre-258 BiS?
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Instead of using the name, [Bastion of Resolve] uses the item ID (found in the URL, or 47287 for the 245 version).
I guess it matters what you want in an item. I would keep the Wisdom and let others upgrade, but Bastion is slightly better.
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Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
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10/05/09, 7:58 PM
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#1687
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Piston Honda
Human Paladin
Lightbringer
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Originally Posted by Maygor
I am trying to set RAWR prot module up to give me the correct stat values for T9 25 man content. I can see what the sliders are doing but am not sure where they should be for this content. The druid module lets you select the tier, size, and hardmode or not which is awesome. I would like to adjust the stat values to give a similar output for the prot paladin module. Any advice on what I should adjust them to and which scale is the best to use?
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Boss hits should be roughly at 70000 (unmitigated). I use the mitigation slider and push it down to about .6 or .7 -- Rawr's default settings undervalue stamina by a large amount, in particular because Ardent Defender is not modelled by Rawr. It's not perfect, but there's no other theorycrafting tools out there for protadins, so it's the best we've got.
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10/06/09, 3:33 AM
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#1688
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Piston Honda
Human Paladin
Nagrand (EU)
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Nice point about incinerate flesh. I personally never checked it. All I know is that, our heals on incinerate flesh target are actually not healing, because when you cast it, it pops the tag "absorbed" for your heal, meaning no actual healing or no overhealing happens. Haven't checked if blizzard implemented it so the "absorbed" heal transfers to the beacon target though. If someone can't confirm what's actually happening, I'll try and see it after reset and post here.
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10/06/09, 11:57 AM
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#1689
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Sansei
Nice point about incinerate flesh. I personally never checked it. All I know is that, our heals on incinerate flesh target are actually not healing, because when you cast it, it pops the tag "absorbed" for your heal, meaning no actual healing or no overhealing happens. Haven't checked if blizzard implemented it so the "absorbed" heal transfers to the beacon target though. If someone can't confirm what's actually happening, I'll try and see it after reset and post here.
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It's too bad that Beacon is such an expensive spell -- if it was a bit cheaper, you could switch beacon onto the incinerate flesh target and bomb the MT with heals. But at 3k mana to move the beacon and then move it back, (not counting Benediction), it's almost the cost of 3 non-crit holy lights just to switch the beacon target.
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10/06/09, 12:29 PM
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#1690
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Paladin
Madmortem (EU)
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Hey there,
just want to know, if Sacred Shield benefits from the SP that I have, when i cast SS, or when it actually procs.
So is it usefull, having Talisman of Resurgence, and using it everytime before i cast SS?
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10/06/09, 4:43 PM
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#1691
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Von Kaiser
Human Paladin
Cenarion Circle
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With Incinerate Flesh, I assume World of Logs just treats it as overheal? I will have to check it Beacon is transferring. I always beacon the MT and raid heal and I think it is.
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10/06/09, 7:13 PM
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#1692
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Protector
Ashstorm
Human Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Borsch
Hey there,
just want to know, if Sacred Shield benefits from the SP that I have, when i cast SS, or when it actually procs.
So is it usefull, having Talisman of Resurgence, and using it everytime before i cast SS?
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SS gets its spell power calculation on shield cast, so use it with Divine Plea (so heals aren't as weak) may be better, since you SS will not always be supercharged.
Last edited by frmorrison : 10/07/09 at 6:56 PM.
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Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
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10/07/09, 8:43 AM
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#1693
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Von Kaiser
Dwarf Paladin
Grim Batol (EU)
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Originally Posted by frmorrison
SS gets its spell power calculation on spell cast, so using the Talisman before SS is a good idea, however I think using it with Divine Plea (so heals aren't as weak) may be better.
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Are you sure about that?
This poster says it only depends on the current spellpower you have when the actual shield proccs and not the spell power you had when you casted Sacred Shield:
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t64649-h...5/#post1357358
Originally Posted by Cassey
With Incinerate Flesh, I assume World of Logs just treats it as overheal? I will have to check it Beacon is transferring. I always beacon the MT and raid heal and I think it is.
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WoL doesn't count it as over heal but just as a 0 heal and from what I can se from our latest log it doesn't gets transfered to the beacon target.
The link is broken but copy this into your browser and it should show the times people got Incinerate Flesh and the paladin heals during that time:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4vQIjezie7LdNnN1/log/?s=6441&e=6809&triggers={"startFilter":{"spellNames": ["Incinerate Flesh"], "eventTypes": [6]},"after":10000}&query=[{"spellNames": ["Incinerate Flesh"]}, {"spellNames": ["Beacon of Light", "Holy Light", "Flash of Light", "Holy Shock"], "eventTypes": [3]}]
Last edited by sno : 10/07/09 at 10:15 AM.
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10/07/09, 10:04 AM
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#1694
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Von Kaiser
Dwarf Paladin
Grim Batol (EU)
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Delete please, double posted without realizing it
Last edited by sno : 10/07/09 at 10:15 AM.
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10/07/09, 10:18 AM
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#1695
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Von Kaiser
Human Paladin
Cenarion Circle
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I healed Jaraxxus last night and the heal on Icinerate Flesh person is not transferred through Beacon.
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10/07/09, 3:46 PM
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#1696
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Glass Joe
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I have a simple question. I have 1/2 vindication, and am considering dropping it for Seal of Command. I never raid with a protection paladin, and only very recently have we added a feral druid into the mix. We have 2 locks that raid consistently, and one warrior that hops between fury and protection depending on the fight. Progression is at heroic beasts 25.
If I drop vindication for seal of command, will it be missed?
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10/07/09, 5:46 PM
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#1697
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Glass Joe
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Questions
Alright, couple questions.
After your defense capped obviously STA becomes the most desirable stat. But where to Dodge/parry etc come into play? Also, hit rating/expertise. Is it worth putting a +20 hit rating gem into a yellow socket with a +4 expertise socket bonus or is STA so much a higher priority that it trumps all after def cap?
Also, Is there a commonly accepted rotation oriented around max threat generation for prot pallies? I've mostly been throwing frisbee. Laying down consecrate then kinda just randomly scrolling through SotR, judgements, HotR etc based on whichever CD finishes first. I always hold threat fine.. but I doubt the randomness is ideal. Rotation?
Thanks
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10/07/09, 6:40 PM
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#1698
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Paladin
Frostmane (EU)
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Originally Posted by Trude
Also, Is there a commonly accepted rotation oriented around max threat generation for prot pallies? I've mostly been throwing frisbee. Laying down consecrate then kinda just randomly scrolling through SotR, judgements, HotR etc based on whichever CD finishes first. I always hold threat fine.. but I doubt the randomness is ideal. Rotation?
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A couple of threads below this one, you'll find the protection paladin field manual. There's a good description of the basic 969 rotation (among other things) in there.
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10/07/09, 6:55 PM
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#1699
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Protector
Ashstorm
Human Paladin
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by blackacres
I have a simple question. I have 1/2 vindication, and am considering dropping it for Seal of Command. I never raid with a protection paladin, and only very recently have we added a feral druid into the mix. We have 2 locks that raid consistently, and one warrior that hops between fury and protection depending on the fight. Progression is at heroic beasts 25.
If I drop vindication for seal of command, will it be missed?
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Since you had 1/2, normal Demo Shout/Roar or Curse of Weakness would override it. Assuming they forgot to put the -ap debuff up, then yes it would hurt, the -ap debuff is very powerful.
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Millions of words are written annually purporting to tell how to beat the races, whereas the best possible advice on the subject is found in the three monosyllables: 'Do not try.'
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10/07/09, 11:59 PM
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#1700
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Cassey
I healed Jaraxxus last night and the heal on Icinerate Flesh person is not transferred through Beacon.
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It isn't supposed to. The entire heal is absorbed and no healing or over-healing occurs.
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