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Old 11/16/09, 3:30 PM   #1826
 frmorrison
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Neraya View Post
You will get a higher number of overall DPS done with SOC because you have 2 additional targets to hit.
However your overall dps on the part that matters will be lower.

It depends on what your raid leader wants, but typically you're expected to dps a specific single target. Any circumstantial aoe/cleave damage happening is "bonus". Padding your dps numbers by getting extra damage done on side targets at the cost of lower damage where it matters is a bad thing.
At least on Kolo, all the three targets need to die. Usually when I do U25 Kolo I use SoC, and end up killing the right arm and left arm within 20 seconds to finish the boss off. Some SoC dps is overkill, but most of it gets used. Also on Mimiron phase four SoC is may be useful since all three targets need to die.

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Old 11/16/09, 4:14 PM   #1827
Alexanders0
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Human Paladin
 
Tanaris
I am a somewhat new Protection Paladin, and I have been running heroics like mad to get certain pieces of gear and Emblems of Conquest for gear so that I can prepare myself for raiding (at least most of the way). I am defense capped, and have just barely under 30k health completely unbuffed. I just recently picked up the Helm of the Crestfallen Challenger from heroic Trial of the Champion, and now I am wondering what might my Emblems of Conquest be best spent toward?

I already have the tier chest piece and the libram and Royal Gauntlets, but I do not know if saving up in order to buy the tier helmet is utterly worth it or if I should just buy the necklace (the last piece I would need from Emblems of Conquest) and burn the rest on orbs. Any advice in this area? Thanks very much for any input.
 
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Old 11/16/09, 5:27 PM   #1828
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Ner'zhul
SoV or SoC for Twins HM

Hi, 1st time poster, somewhat long time lurker.

My guild has just reached the Twins on ToGC25 and was wondering which seal would be best: SoV or SoC. I currently have the "200 Str SoV" Libram and enough Honor Points to purchase the iLvl 213 PvP CS Libram, but I do not do PvP/Arena, so getting the upper lvl ones would be an uphill battle. I do plan on purchasing the 213 PvP Libram if it is better to use SoC for Twin Valkyr fight.

Secondly, I can't remember which thread it was in, but if I go with SoC, what would the new rotation priority be? CS > HoW > J > DS > Cons > Exo > Holy Wrath?

I've tested this out a few times on the fight last night, but I don't think my numbers are entirely accurate.

Here are my reasons for taking SoC:
1) Burst potential for the Healing bubble. SoV has a long wind-up time and by the time I reach 5 stacks, we should've already burst the bubble.
2) Splash damage. Since they share a health pool, I figure every little bit of damage counts, right? Using SoC, in my mind, gives me that extra damage to beat the enrage timer.

TL;DR
1) SoC or SoV during Twins HM?
2) What is the rotation priority if using SoC?

If I've answered my own question, could someone confirm this. Much appreciated.
 
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Old 11/17/09, 12:45 PM   #1829
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Originally Posted by Rhyas View Post

TL;DR
1) SoC or SoV during Twins HM?
2) What is the rotation priority if using SoC?

If I've answered my own question, could someone confirm this. Much appreciated.
For our HM kills, we use the door strat, which involves tanking the mobs basically on top of each other. About 15 seconds before a "special ability," all ret paladins switch to the Dark Twin, even though we all have the Dark essence. If the special ability is Dark Shield, then we'll use Heroism/internal CDs. If it's anything else, we just switch back to the Light Twin (our normal target). You're correct that SoV would be problematic for ret DPS on a new target, but this can easily be counteracted by just switching to the other twin before a special ability cast. Doing so allows you to build up the necessary SoV stacks. Our ret paladins all use SoV and easily do over 10k dps on this fight (including me, in my off-spec, using an Ulduar weapon).
 
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Old 11/17/09, 8:42 PM   #1830
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Azjol-Nerub
Forgive me if I have missed it, but I can not seem to locate a Holy Paladin 3.2 guide. I seem to remember there being a holy guide here, but I have not looked for it, or read it, in some time.

I have been out of Wow for about two months, and in that time, there apparently were a number of changes to pally healing. Compounding this, is the fact that healing was always a third spec for me, as I primarily tanked or dps'ed. My guild has asked me to respec to dps/heals and I need to get my healing set/spec back in order and was looking for pointers, basic specs, stat priorities, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 11/17/09, 10:41 PM   #1831
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Originally Posted by Healydan View Post
Forgive me if I have missed it, but I can not seem to locate a Holy Paladin 3.2 guide. I seem to remember there being a holy guide here, but I have not looked for it, or read it, in some time.
The Holy Paladin Guide for 3.1 is the best you are going to get for a in-depth guide.

If I had to write a guide, I would only say use all Int gems (except for the meta requirements), use the item level 200 HL libram, and spam Holy Light while keeping Beacon of Light and Sacred Shield on the Main Tank.

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Old 11/20/09, 1:35 AM   #1832
Jansyu
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Nagrand
Divine Sacrifice / Divine Sheild bug?

Hi, Ive setup one of my holy spec's to use Divine Sacrifice (taking 40% damage for 10 secs raid wide). We got back to Ulduar last night (guild hasn't been raiding it much lately, focusing on ToC). So I used it in the Thorim fight (healing in the arena). I have it tied to a macro, that starts it, then puts divine sheild on me, and also casts Aura Mastery (I run with concentration aura up). This is the first time I've used it in a couple of months.

When I used the macro it seemed as though I didn't pick up as much damage as I expected to. So when the C/D was up (DS being the longest), I used the spells manually. As soon as I cast Divine Sheild all damage stopped (as expected), but it seemed as though no damage was being passed to me either? Unfortunately I got to try this a few times last night (wiped a couple of times). Each time seemed to be the same. I've checked the logs.

Has anyone seen this before?
 
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Old 11/20/09, 5:29 AM   #1833
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Originally Posted by Jansyu View Post
When I used the macro it seemed as though I didn't pick up as much damage as I expected to. So when the C/D was up (DS being the longest), I used the spells manually. As soon as I cast Divine Sheild all damage stopped (as expected), but it seemed as though no damage was being passed to me either? Unfortunately I got to try this a few times last night (wiped a couple of times). Each time seemed to be the same. I've checked the logs.

Has anyone seen this before?
You actually see (-0), (-0) floating above your head, because of divine shield absorbing all damage.

For me, the actual question is, does sacrifice lasts for whole 10s duration and shields the entire raid for -40% damage because of shield we got, or it still stops somewhere...
 
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Old 11/20/09, 9:07 AM   #1834
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Originally Posted by Irri View Post
You actually see (-0), (-0) floating above your head, because of divine shield absorbing all damage.

For me, the actual question is, does sacrifice lasts for whole 10s duration and shields the entire raid for -40% damage because of shield we got, or it still stops somewhere...
It's for the full 10 seconds, for now, if you use divine shield, but as far as I know, it will be changed in 3.3, so that it breaks whether you use shield or not, making DiSac far less valuable
 
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Unread Today, 9:26 AM   #1835
Thegreatiam
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Are the block value bonuses from Redoubt and Eternal Earthsiege multiplicative or are they both based off base block value?
 
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Unread Today, 3:25 PM   #1836
Jakit
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Thunderhorn (EU)
Northrend beasts dps

Im just wondering what you guys do. Im our guild main retridin and we're on anub on heroic 25 man atm. Normally im in the top 5 damage on fights. but Northrend beasts just suck balls for retri. So much target switching and burrowing and shit that just lowers my dps. I normally lie on a steady 7k dps but on beasts im pushing 5k max. I have tried switching vengeance with soc but thats not really doing anything. What are your experience with this fight? and do you have any suggestions to maximizing my dps
 
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