Rawr Healadin Model - Page 2

Endoscient · 12/06/08, 1:25 PM

Could you post your character file? Because, it is also rating [Life and Death] higher for me, by a good bit.

With upcoming burst healing it should model the benefits of haste/sp better, once you have reached enough mana to sustain HL for the important parts of the fight. For example on Malygos, you care a lot more about topping everyone off after vortexes then your average hps over whole fight.

galzohar · 12/06/08, 1:26 PM

1. The calculations are for mana efficiency only, and ignoring burst completely. Since we can use all our mana in a case where we actually have stuff to heal with it, haste doesn't play part in this calculation at all.

2. You probably entered some wierd parameters, because even for pure efficiency deathchill looks a bit better with my numbers. I wouldn't spend the gold on it since it's inferior to quite a lot of other cloaks that are much easier to obtain. If you want a crafted one for similar cost, [Pattern: Wispcloak] is much much better.

At the end, keep in mind that SP/haste matter more than their efficiency value. How much more depends on how much you need to "do more healing during the whole fight" vs how much you need to "do more healing right now", and how much stats actually help you do that.

Equalizer · 12/06/08, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Endoscient

Could you post your character file? Because, it is also rating [Life and Death] higher for me, by a good bit.

With upcoming burst healing it should model the benefits of haste/sp better, once you have reached enough mana to sustain HL for the important parts of the fight. For example on Malygos, you care a lot more about topping everyone off after vortexes then your average hps over whole fight.

Uhhh how do I post my character file? My Rawr is kinda being locked up cause I ran the WotLK update thing with no progress bar.

If you just load from Armory Ukitake => Crushridge => US Server you should pick me up in my latest gear.

Equalizer · 12/06/08, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by galzohar

1. The calculations are for mana efficiency only, and ignoring burst completely. Since we can use all our mana in a case where we actually have stuff to heal with it, haste doesn't play part in this calculation at all.

2. You probably entered some wierd parameters, because even for pure efficiency deathchill looks a bit better with my numbers. I wouldn't spend the gold on it since it's inferior to quite a lot of other cloaks that are much easier to obtain. If you want a crafted one for similar cost, [Pattern: Wispcloak] is much much better.

At the end, keep in mind that SP/haste matter more than their efficiency value. How much more depends on how much you need to "do more healing during the whole fight" vs how much you need to "do more healing right now", and how much stats actually help you do that.

Only parameters I changed was adding raid buffs and filtering out Cloth and Leather. Rest should be factory out of the box settings.

I had gotten the Deathchill made for no cost, and it will get replaced with a drop. Not a huge deal too me, I was just using it as an example of a TBC blue being better than a WoTLK epic.

I understand what it's trying to do, but for some reason it's doing it oddly for me.

Endoscient · 12/06/08, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Equalizer

Uhhh how do I post my character file? My Rawr is kinda being locked up cause I ran the WotLK update thing with no progress bar.

If you just load from Armory Ukitake => Crushridge => US Server you should pick me up in my latest gear.

You can just upload the saved xml file somewhere. Just me importing from Armory won't help, because you might be getting different results because of some odd options.

Equalizer · 12/06/08, 2:02 PM

Free file hosting by Savefile.com should work hopefully.

Endoscient · 12/06/08, 2:17 PM

The file you uploaded had no buffs set which will cause odd numbers, not sure if you just uploaded the wrong file. After I set them it is rating [Life and Death]/[Deathchill Cloak] higher.

It is valuing Int (and to a lesser extent Mp5) highly, since with the gear level you have you really can't cast that many Holy Lights (only 1 per every 2.5 FoLs). So increasing how many you can cast is the best for you currently, in terms of total healing done. I don't know why you say you can't use all your mana, there are definitely fights where you could (with your mana pool) while not wasting them.

Equalizer · 12/06/08, 3:16 PM

Dunno why it had no buffs set. I had it set when I saved. Only time I've run out of mana was the last 1% of a Patchwork kill where I was healing very poorly.

Other than that nothing in Naxx 25 taxes me very heavily mana wise.

Endoscient · 12/06/08, 3:42 PM

Just because you can do it without more mana doesn't mean more mana is worthless. If you have more mana you can do a LOT more Holy Lights. With my gear I can spam Holy Light 100% of the time on Patchwerk, does some of it overheal a lot? Sure. Do I do a lot more healing and reduce the chance of my tank dying by a lot? Definitely. Also Naxx isn't supposed to be really difficult (entry level raid), so you really should be gearing more for hard mode of current fights (3 drake Sarth) or for what Ulduar might throw at us.

allythepally · 12/07/08, 4:08 PM

From the first post, I'm guessing this is the place for bug reports. I'm having an issue where the module is rating "Heroes' Redemption Gloves" under "Handgrips of the Foredoomed," even when the former is gemmed to be strictly better in all the relevant stats. How to repro:

1. Start Rawr 2.1.3 with an empty Blood Elf Paladin.
2. Use the comparison chart "Gear > Hands."
3. Find Heroes' Redemption Gloves and edit them to be socketted with a Reckless Flawless Ametrine.
4. Check the item ratings. Handgrips of the Foredoomed will be rated 41.25 while Heroes' Redemption Gloves is rated 39.10. However, the stat comparison is:
Stat Heroes' Foredoomed
Stam 49 52
Int 51 49
SP 80 76
Crit 48 48
Haste 40 39

Heroes' are equal or better in every stat except stam, which doesn't contribute toward healing. In the summary it's also saying that Foredoomed gets a better crit rate on FoL, HL, etc. when Heroes' should edge it out slightly.

Endoscient · 12/07/08, 4:50 PM

It is giving the Handgrips a rating of 37.13 for me, and same rating for T7 gloves. What is probably the issue is that you imported a character from armory that had the Handgrips socketed with a BS only socket, and it made a new copy of the item with that gem in. To check this right click the Handgrips and to edit item, and see if it has any gems selected. It isn't displaying this on the tooltip, because adding new sockets to your gear (with BS) isn't supported yet.

allythepally · 12/07/08, 5:12 PM

Duh! That was it, thank you.

Incidentally, is there a way to remove gems from an item? The best I've been able to do is choose a pure-stam gem, which is equivalent for healing purposes. Maybe a better question would be, "Am I missing docs?" I didn't see anything about it in the readme.

Endoscient · 12/07/08, 5:40 PM

The best way to remove gems is to make a duplicate of the item (button on bottom left) and remove the old one. It normally isn't an issue, but being able to add your own gems has muddled it up.

Pirjo · 12/10/08, 3:59 PM

The glyph of HL has a separate crit chance that is worth including in my opinion. It basically makes crit scale to the second power which is pretty potent when raid healing people in clusters.

edit:
corrected equation:
healing done per target by GHL = 0.1*(HL base)*(1+0.5*crit)^2

Endoscient · 12/10/08, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Pirjo

The glyph of HL has a separate crit chance that is worth including in my opinion. It basically makes crit scale to the second power [(1.5*crit%)^2] which is pretty potent when raid healing people in clusters.

True, I forgot about that. It is fixed now. GHL can be amazing on certain fights, it can make up for 15%+ of my healing on Malygos.