Sorry to go back to this post, but besides the ghost hit i found something else that matches more or less my own tests, and happens during boss fights aswell: i'm missing about 5% crit.

This test was done like many others, completly unbuffed (no aura aswell) leaving the character auto attacking the heroic training dummy during the night, luckly when i got back my weapon had 2/100 durability so there are no unarmed results. And yes, i had precision during TBC.

RNG at it's finest? Or do we have more people having the same crit deficit results?

If you still have ghost precision, it affects only weapon attacks, so damage procs from trinkets and unarmed are not affected.

The crit deficit comes from your weapon skill at 400 and the boss having 415 or more defense. Defense removes crits.

It's berserking we are talking here, right? Now this would be very good news, on the other hand hard to count exact dps return... but would mean this enchant is by far superior to everything else that you don't need maths on it unless you are control freak.

Sounds logical to me, if Judgement is to be considered "ranged" ability and not spell, another proof added to 9% hit being enough not to miss a single one (please mind the word "miss" there). So I think we can assume that pretty surely. So those 2 procs do stack, not refresh one another?

If you find something like that, I'd love you to post it here. Was looking for something like this for few days by now. My MSBT has problems showing Mirror of Truth procs, so having something to count it in game would be nice.


New topic: What's the community oppinion in creating WotLK consolidated retadin thread? Same as was there in TBC? The discussion pretty much moved in this thread, however there are still people that want to know the basics without too much effort and imho I'd rather spend few days summing these things up to provide all starter rets basic info, than let our great spec decay into "retardin" state again. Note that I am not volunteering for the job, as I am not that fond of TCrafting, but don't mind doing that if noone else is up for it.

Nice idea, these forums are very nice to see what other peoples view are on various class ideas. Already over these 8 pages a lot of problems/ideas have been discussed and hopefully this will continue.

There is 2 pages of discussion on this about 3 pages back.

It was "decided" overall that beserking is the best due to the fact it can proc regularly. As pointed out please check the previous few pages, this thread is only 8 pages long currently so there is not really any excuse how you could have missed the discussion.

Allow me to point you to a few posts before yours...

Even with that rate it should be still superior to Massacre. Please read up the following I dig deeper in thread, relative line highlighted in red. Check if I am right, if I am not then let's correct the numbers.




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Now, we just need more of the anecdotal evidence it can chain proc, else we have to assume it's Mongoose type enchant with 20/45 timers

Those use incorrect values was my issue with it as berserking is a 15 second duration. And my terminology may have been off but the numbers that I am seeing on our shaman currently are 45 off and 15 on, or in other words 15 seconds of 400AP per 60 second time-slice. This gives an average of 100AP over a minute, compared to the constant 110AP from massacre.

In terms of the assumption of 20 seconds, that is not correct according to wowhead meaning that it would not go beyond that 27% figure but in fact be 25%.

As to which is better given those two, personally I believe it is stronger to have constant AP boost of equal value as opposed to playing rng roulette. The flip-side would be if coordinated with a trinket/wings could represent a huge dps boost over those 15 seconds.

The proc overwrites itself, so it does show up as 1 proc, when it can proc 2-3 times while you already have the buff. So your 2 procs count as 1 on parses.

Like I've previously stated, I would love some kinds of mod that would actually count them. I have been using a /cancelaura macro to remove the buff and try to get a parse on it, and at points i'm to slow to remove it and have to start over again. Thats from my seal proccing the enchant right after my main attack does.


If you want and oddball number, since its not really easy to figure the proc rate out. I will throw the number of 10-15% proc rate on the enchant.

Like today, I did 10 man naxx, and I had the buff on for the entire thaddius fight, yes, the entire fight. On other fights, such as Patchwerk, I only gained the buff on a steady level of twice per minute or so. There were times it lasted 30 seconds and some times it was up for 25 seconds etc... due to it proccing on follow-up hits.


I didn't run any parsers for the run since 10 man naxx is very trivial. I did take off some hit gear to see if I missed here and there, and I certainly missed a few attacks while below the 9% cap.

I have also noticed that I rarely get judgement bugs anymore, doubt it was a hotfix or anything like that. But I do think it has to do with something about hit. I'm just speculating atm so don't use me as a source.


If the game wasn't so easy in its current form, I might try harder on getting parses etc... But really.. this game is a joke to pve right now, and all the number crunching isn't really interesting me in the current state of the game. The only thing I have really cared about is +hit and the judgement bug, Once those 2 things have been either confirmed and fixed would I really start to care about crunching numbers again.

Are some players affected by the Judgement bug more often than others? I can count the number of times this bug happened to me on one hand, and that's from 3.0.2 release onwards, playing both as Holy and Ret. I also always judge Light consecutively.

It did occur in Wintergrasp PVP once, under entirely different conditions than you'd have in a 25 raid, so it must be just really difficult to pinpoint for Blizzard.