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Old 04/14/09, 9:52 AM   #541
Kethion
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Draenei Shaman
 
Scarlet Crusade
In the most recent version of the spreadsheet, my unbuffed divine storms are reading approximately 18% lower than the values I have been getting from testing on target dummies on the PTR. Seeing as how divine storm damage was supposed to be buffed this patch, I was wondering if there may be a value off in the spreadsheet.

I'm also seeing a generic DPS decrease using the same values from the v2.3 spreadsheet, both using non-undead mobs as a reference.

Is anyone else seeing either of these differences, or is it just me? It's also entirely possible that I just screwed up inputting the spreadsheet info, but I haven't found any mistakes thus far. Any input or clarification would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 04/14/09, 1:04 PM   #542
Redcape
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Originally Posted by Kethion View Post
In the most recent version of the spreadsheet, my unbuffed divine storms are reading approximately 18% lower than the values I have been getting from testing on target dummies on the PTR. Seeing as how divine storm damage was supposed to be buffed this patch, I was wondering if there may be a value off in the spreadsheet.

I'm also seeing a generic DPS decrease using the same values from the v2.3 spreadsheet, both using non-undead mobs as a reference.

Is anyone else seeing either of these differences, or is it just me? It's also entirely possible that I just screwed up inputting the spreadsheet info, but I haven't found any mistakes thus far. Any input or clarification would be greatly appreciated.
The spreadsheet shows DS to be hitting for 4605 on average with full raid buffs and mostly 213 gear, but that does include the dot damage from RV. How much were your DS hitting for on the dummy?

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Old 04/14/09, 2:15 PM   #543
Kethion
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Draenei Shaman
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Redcape View Post
The spreadsheet shows DS to be hitting for 4605 on average with full raid buffs and mostly 213 gear, but that does include the dot damage from RV. How much were your DS hitting for on the dummy?
I was doing an unbuffed check, and was getting an average of 2800-ish, with the spreadsheet reading 2343. Looking at my values fully raid buffed, it's showing up with 4313 as the damage per cast. I'm not entirely sure what I messed up on, but I'm going to guess it's a mistake on my end, as the buffed values you are listing are far more similar, and my gear is not quite all 213 yet.

If it provides any insight to what I could have been doing wrong during the tests, I turned off all raid buffs except 3% damage and 3% haste and set AW and heroism uses to 0. I used SoW and BoW during the testing, and only used divine storm and auto attacks. Vengeance remained 100% uptime and I have the 2pc t7 bonus. I don't think there is anything I didn't account for, but I assume that I missed something, or there is some value I should not have changed.

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Old 04/14/09, 7:11 PM   #544
Babathong
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Draenei Paladin
 
Alterac Mountains
I have heard different theories on optimal gear setup for entering Ulduar. Is there a final consensus on whether switching out 4pc T7.5 for the BiS leather items is the way to go? Im figuring on keeping the Obsidian Greathelm and 2pc T7.5, while switching out the other pieces for Chestguard of the Recluse and Leggings of the Honored.

Any final thoughts on this?

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Old 04/15/09, 9:23 AM   #545
Nisall
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It has been stated numerous times over the last couple of pages that BiS > 4t7 with the seal changes.

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Old 04/18/09, 4:06 PM   #546
HamSlammer
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Originally Posted by Nisall View Post
It has been stated numerous times over the last couple of pages that BiS > 4t7 with the seal changes.
This.

However, breaking 2piece is somewhat difficult. The best possible way to tackle busting your 2piece is to do so with 4pieceT8.

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Old 04/19/09, 7:08 AM   #547
Ssateneth
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Illidan
There was a blue post concerning the specifics of the mechanics of Armor Penetration. It can be seen in this post.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> 116% Armor Pen only giving 66%!?!?!?!

Possibly it can be incorporated into the spreadsheet to give a more accurate value of ArP?

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Old 04/19/09, 10:44 AM   #548
Redcape
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Yes.

My internal version has already taken that into account, but I have not quite completed the next version to a publishable state. As soon as I get a few small things tweaked I will be putting out another version with the ArPen changes built in.

The next version will also have a bunch of macros built in to hopefully increase the ease of use for those not familiar with spreadsheets as well as to dramatically lower my development time for future editions and changes. I went out and taught myself VBA for this purpose.

It will probably one week or so before I publish it. Just for the moment though you could reduce ArPen by a few % in effectiveness and be pretty well on, it is slightly less effective than before but it isn't hugely game changing. (In PVE)

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Old 04/19/09, 1:18 PM   #549
Kaprina
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Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Redcape View Post
Yes.

My internal version has already taken that into account, but I have not quite completed the next version to a publishable state. As soon as I get a few small things tweaked I will be putting out another version with the ArPen changes built in.

The next version will also have a bunch of macros built in to hopefully increase the ease of use for those not familiar with spreadsheets as well as to dramatically lower my development time for future editions and changes. I went out and taught myself VBA for this purpose.

It will probably one week or so before I publish it. Just for the moment though you could reduce ArPen by a few % in effectiveness and be pretty well on, it is slightly less effective than before but it isn't hugely game changing. (In PVE)

I was just getting around to setting up Pawn, does the current value of Arp in the OP reflect this new info?

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Old 04/20/09, 8:07 PM   #550
Redcape
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Vek'nilash
No, I will update the whole set of values in the OP when I republish. I generally try not to update them unless I have a full dataset to work with, but you can just drop ArPen to 70 with the current weights up there and be pretty accurate. It isn't all that big a change.

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Old 04/21/09, 8:16 AM   #551
Larre
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Aerie Peak (EU)
Quick question.

As it seems now, being hit capped is very important, and to be hit capped seems easy as hell since its basically hit on almost every piece of plate armor.

So im wondering, when im capped in hit , what would i go for then in the other slots?

Haste, armor penetration? Crit? A mix? Expertise? Does it matter?

Last edited by Larre : 04/21/09 at 8:29 AM.

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Old 04/21/09, 2:32 PM   #552
trv186
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Tortheldrin
Originally Posted by Larre View Post
Quick question.

As it seems now, being hit capped is very important, and to be hit capped seems easy as hell since its basically hit on almost every piece of plate armor.

So im wondering, when im capped in hit , what would i go for then in the other slots?

Haste, armor penetration? Crit? A mix? Expertise? Does it matter?
The next best stats are str expertise and crit. It is hard to say what the best gear setup will have.

Lets put it this way though. If you were to replace every stat of haste or armpen with str you would be happy. So basically we tolerate these stats on our gear we do not have a set amount of haste or armpen we need however

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Old 04/22/09, 7:34 PM   #553
Redcape
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Look at the original post. It tells you exactly how strong various stats are relative to each other. The short answer is you get hit capped no matter what, then you stack str/exp gear until exp capped, at that point just stack more str.

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Old 05/01/09, 11:25 PM   #554
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