With all the aura effect consolidations, they should finally get rid of Crusader aura and just bake the speed increase into every aura.

I stand corrected, always wondered why those "morons" took crusade over 2h spec for arena :p

I saw it capping at 300% of the Pally's health. Assume 25k, that is 75,000 that healers don't have to heal, which is a quite a lot (more than Saph's aura).

If it is just 37,500 that sucks .

Incorrect, 2H spec adds an aura to your character that affects all damage sources. The reason why a PvPer takes Crusade over 2H spec is the talent still works when you are disarmed.

2 points in the talent brings it to 300%.

From the undocumented changes:
"Divine Guardian (Tier 4) now has been changed to redirect damage "(up to a maximum of 150/300% of the Paladin's health)." (Previously had no limit)"

It's 300% at 2/2... which, in Ulduar gear, is likely to be something like 75k over the raid, or 3k per raid member absorbed (10k dealt out). That's still very decent and only likely to be met in very high AoE (which presumably they want to maintain the liberty to use in encounter design without having a raid negate it via paladin stacking).

EDIT: oops, already addressed, apologies.

Tossing Crusader Aura into all auras would make life a whole lot easier (I hate forgetting to switch auras when mounting / after mounting) but it's a pretty minor inconvenience. One thing I would like to see them do is move Imp. BoM further down the tree (to where Sanctified Seals is) to keep it a little bit more exclusive to Ret paladins. Get rid of Sanctified Seals completely and put an Armor to AP conversion where Imp. BoM is right now. If I'm not mistaken, the ~200-230 AP we would gain from the 3 AP per 180 armor would be a DPS increase over 3% crit (they keep giving us too much crit anyway, and now they are nerfing crit across the board in anticipation of more crit in the coming patches -- see Imp Scorch/WC nerf for mages and RV/Fanaticism nerfs).

Second, I am also a little worried about possible mana issues. As it stands, fights with lots of predictable AOE damage are the most effective for ret paladins because it is easy to heal through and gives us mana. Fights with no outside damage are putting us right on the verge of mana issues. It seems pretty unclear to me whether or not Blizzard intended on us using Consecration for single target dps or not; I've seen people claiming they specifically balanced us around using Judgement, CS, DS, and Cons, and others saying Cons was only intended for AOE or mana dump. In any case, Cons is in all reality the main problem with Ret mana, and we mostly don't even using AoW procs due to the swing timer reset. I have heard mention that this was fixed on the PTR, and if so it would be something I would be interested in making use of assuming my mana would let me. Something I think that could be interested would be a secondary effect on Swift Retribution that increase our [Strength, AP, Crit, Damage, ArPen, etc] while standing in consecrate, and allowed [CS, judgement, DS] to re-apply Consecration beneath us. Unfortunately, DKs basically already have this ability (Desecration), but I still like the idea and it would be a great help to mana consumption.

As best as I can tell, Two-Hand Weapon Specialization just affects your physical damage as it applies:

Apply Aura: Mod Dmg % (Physical)

as opposed to:

Apply Aura: Mod Dmg % (All)

like Avenging Wrath does.

This of course would modify things that derive their damage from your physical damage range.

3. That is not nice!

4. The healing bonus from imp Devo do not stack. For PvP, 15% more healing from DS looks interesting to help with SoB recoil. Anyway, tri-pally doesn't work on the high end, but it sounds like a fun team for getting some points.

I know we keep mentioning recoil as a PvP inhibitor for SoB/M, but, realistically speaking, the class hasn't been given the necessary tools effectively deal with healers without SoB's burst. Because of this, I really think they'd be well served to go back to the drawing board and find another way to make it the less attractive seal in PvP while allowing us to keep it as an option in some scenarios (e.g. healer vs ret 1v1 after partners eat it).

Personally, I'd think tacking on a casting speed reduction to it or something equivalent would fit the bill. It would impact ret most in 2s and 3s, where the class is generally expected to play its utility/defensive card, but not so much in 5s, where it could go full out DPS with the best of them. The change wouldn't impact PvE except in a positive way (mana regen aside, but this is supposedly being addressed in 3.1 anyways) and the increased cast time would mean if you still chose to run SoB in PvP, the decision to go defensive and heal would require an extra GCD and the expense of Seal swapping. It wouldn't help our perceived burstiness, but, honestly, we aren't the only class with burst and most others have ways to beat healers beyond incredible burst.

I miscalculated, which led you to believe i was talking about devo. Assuing the teer1 prot talent is 5% healing received and dealt, and all three pallies get that talent, giving 10%, 5 from dealing 5 from receiving, and another 6% from devo aura, making it 16%.

tri pally wont work but it will be fun. getting a name change for similar sounding names. but i guess if my #3 goes through they will know that the one not wearing a skirt is the healer, ironically.

Isn't Righteous Vengeance being nerfed?