The blizzard response to this "bug" would probably to raise the hit cap back to 9% on all paladins across the board (though from the disparity of how the hit cap is affecting each paladin this problem is probably more complex than just changing a variable) which is kind of unfair because there are definitely people out there (me included) who geared themselves to the "change". If I have to regem/reenchant/reacquire new gear to fill out that 3% ghost hit cap that they take away, I might throw a fit! Why should I (and many other players) pay for Blizzard's mistake?

The hit cap for Hunters, Warriors, and Rogues on Special Attacks is 8%, not 9%. So even if the ghost hit was removed, at least you don't need 9% hit anymore.


To that person with 8.93% miss, 1153 swings is not enough to arrive at the correct number. Also if you have less than 400 skill the number will be messed up.

Assuming, of course, Questioner had 400 skill with the weapon used in testing - which seems likely based on glancing being at the expected 24% I'd be inclined to believe Questioner is correct - only for him/herself.

If we have folks at 8, some down to as low as 5 - why not someone at 9? It's just as logical to have a case where someone is "screwed" by ghost ANTIhit as opposed to "blessed" with ghost hit.

General realm-wide melee hit cap of 8% based on paladins, hunters, rogues, and warriors testing in multiple threads on multiple servers with multiple weapons and multiple specs. Some paladins lower, Questioner higher. Poor Questioner

Judgement
I would be interested in seeing more large-quantity test on this. Seeing a melee miss rate at 8% and a Judgement miss rate at 9% is quite intriguing. We obviously need a larger sample size. It's possible Judgement operates differently - although highly odd, since Hunter ranged is meeting expected 8% cap. Nothing else regarding paladins and hit seems consistent, why not another straw on the old camel's back?

Also interesting if people capping at lower % and are wearing gear which does go over their personal cap see 1% miss on Judgement, but nothing else. Someone with a couple thousand melee swings and 0 miss and even one miss on Judgement would prove it had a higher cap.

To throw another wrench into the pile (granted this is all anecdotal at the moment):

My CS damage sometimes disappears... in the same manner that judgement damage does every so often. The ability goes off, no misses or damage done, just plain poof. Oddly enough, I have this issue about as often as other people have the Judgement issue, however I myself have hardly ever noticed a judgement failing. I'm using the regular old SoM/JoW combo, nothing special.

The only thing I've noticed that might have any real effect is my timing... basically hitting the ability too soon (just like what people are finding with the Judgement issue). Waiting until I actually see the ability come up as opposed to any kind of pre-spamming seems to resolve the issue for the most part, however I just thought it interesting since no one else seems to have seen the same issue.

Am I the only one?

Just out of curiosity, would Vindication somehow indirectly increase our chance to hit on the Heroic Training Dummy? I'm asking because as I was watching myself autoattack naked and I gradually passed from 9% to 8% to 7% miss rate every 200 swings or so, and I didn't see myself miss when Vindication was on the target.

I do realize that my sample size may be small at only 1200 hits, but it might be something to consider.

Has anyone taken the time to do the math to see if the 3% increase from the 4pc set bonus outweighs all the dps bonus one would get taking non-set pieces and therefore saving us a whole lot of wasted itemization on haste?

edit - I see this discussion is going on in Redscape's calc thread...

I Had a similar problem to this when 3.0 patched, although i didnt experience the judgement bug, then after the hotfix for 100% judgement hits my CS was fixed but i started getting the disappearing judgement bug like the rest.

And on a side note, i am also experiencing 4% ghost hit... of which im not particularly concerned... its a buff, even if only temporary. My concern is more that when they 'Fix' the hit problem like they 'Fixed' judgements our middle-of-the-pack dps is going to drop. I think most paladins will agree that we arent asking for a buff, just skills that work as intended so we can sustain mana on boss fights and have predictable dps.

Curious question.

Has anyone Discovered Exactly how Haste Works with Command now? I've seen it said that Haste now effects it. I'm assuming it's ppm. but ow much? at what ratio?

does say... 10% haste increase it's ppm by 10% = 7.6 to 8.36? I'm curious how this works. Also, how do your "extra" melee strikes work from you judgement,cs, and ds? Does it give you extra PPM for using them?

If it works as I've mentioned Does it also work before or after the Glyph of Command.

help?

As far as instants are concerned, the basic assumption is that your Judgements, CS and DS have a chance to proc SOC equal to whatever your proc chance is with a single auto-attack (whatever that percentage may be).

Hi everyone
ive been following this thread for a while and I got two Questions.
Since Betrayer is out of Range for me at the Moment (the TG Offwarri and our DKs aiming for it) i'm aiming for armageddon, the best enchant would be Berserking right?
And last raid i was able to get my Hands on Bandits Insignia [Bandit's Insignia],
the procrate could be better but it can crit. So far i go with mirror of truth and bandits insignia, i'll try to go for Darkmoon Card Greatness, but which Trinket should i exchange for it?

Just to add more fuel to the hit cap debate. I was finally inspired to do my own testing and over 1002 attacks using Recount I saw a 8.7% miss chance. This was done at lvl 80 with a 0/8/63 spec, not naked but without any hit or expertise rating. I did not have precision pre-3.0 and additionally was not even level 70 at that point. My paper doll crit chance is 19.21% for this test and Recount showed 16.3% crits which seems to be in line with other players testing.

Additional anecdotal information, for the majority of this test (yes I watched almost all 1000 swings) I was hovering in the 9.5-10% miss chance and it was not until the last 100 swings that my miss chance dropped under 9%. Probably just bad luck and I'll do some more extensive tests shortly but just some food for thought.