Silly question about that,

Are judgments using the Ranged AP and Crit also? The reason I ask this is because I have Cryptfiend's bite which is currently bugged. It provides only 20 Ranged AP instead of 200 Ranged AP.

I really noticed last night how mana starved i was in general in 10 man naxx vs 25. I contributed it directly to the lack of buffs. Martyr was not hitting as hard on procs nor judges leading to less backlash dmg received resulting in less mana from SA. I was popping mana pots at the end of fights to be able to add in HoW. It was an eye opener for me on how dependent i am on SA, and how hard my dps dropped in 10 v 25. I also started to remove self-inflicted martyr dmg from WWS to get my "real" dps (I'm not telling anyone in the guild about it though).

Judgement (this is a melee attack, look up Judgement in Wowhead's spells to see the entry for immune to dodge/parry) and Shield of the Righteousness/Hammer of Wrath (count as a ranged attacks) use the melee values for AP and crit for Paladins.

Note if you have "ghost hit", it doesn't apply to Shield/HoW ever.

Use Hand of Sac on the tank if you want more SA regen. Just don't use it on the Hateful tank or if you don't really need mana.

i now feel kinda dumb for not thinking of this.. sigh, the obvious escapes me at times. tyvm

Is this set still viable or would it require some tweaks since the hit cap is now a little lower? Also, I'm not a JC so I'd assume I'd have to take that into account as far as planning around this set is concerned.

I'm pretty sure the "badge trinket" (instead of the bandit) and 4-set T7 is the way to go.

I have had a few misses on white attacks on trash mobs, but like 3 on a entire run of Naxx. I have no idea what mob is doing it, but since it is trash I don't mind.

Ok guys, I'm sure people have already gone round-and-round about this card, but how good is it really? I just finished farming the cards (it was long and excruciating), and now that i'm done with it I dont know if I should just sell and make a boat load of money. If we have access to any two trinkets in the game right now, which would you go with. Right now im running the mirror and fury of five flights. The bandits insignia looks like it would be up there. Let me know what you guys think.

I've got the Nobles deck in the bank waiting for the 5th to roll around, and then yes, my 2nd trinket choice would be Bandit's Insignia. I'll be using Mirror of Truth until I get it.

Second best trinket is Fury of the Five Flights, not Bandit's Insignia. Bandit's Insignia is actually a fairly poor choice that gets outclassed by Mirror of Truth, Grim Toll, and Loatheb's Shadow.

Fury of the Five Flights is too situational for my liking. A Paladin cannot stack it as quickly as another class and if a fight requires movement or switching targets, as is the case in many encounters, having it fall off defeats the purpose of having it.

I don't like Fury because of the ramp up time, so DW classes get more use out of it.

Since there is "ghost hit", Grim Toll isn't that great.

Mirror and Loatheb do outclass Bandit's.


I don't think Uldaar will have something to outclass Nobles for Ret, str and a str proc is so good.

Maybe because the only things that heal you during Patchwerk are Improved Leader of the Pack and Ancestral Awakening (and never to your full HP)? You know, healers tend not to heal anyone else beside MT and OT, because if you get healed too much you might get killed by a hatefull (tanks are not always at full HP).

Don't know about you, but I myself have enough troubles of trying not to kill myself just with S/JoB, sometimes it gets so close so I have to iFoL myself. Don't know, maybe I'm so awesome that my S/JoB damage output is so high and it damages me back that much.

Chain heal, Circle of Healing, Beacon of Light, Nourish...if you aren't at full health within seconds after a JoB crit then your healers need to rethink things.

This is, again, a healer issue. I'm criting for 15k and even on fights like Loatheb healers still have enough time to keep me up in that brief time. If you're killing yourself on a Blood hit on anything but Decimate you need to have a chat with your healers.

I can't honestly think of many encounters where you don't attack something at least once every 10 seconds. I suppose Sapphiron between breaths and Heigan during the dance in Naxx, and Malygos as an encounter is just bad for the trinket, but everything else you should be able to stack the trinket and keep it up for a majority of the encounter.

Even not being able to stack it as quickly as a DW class doesn't mean it's not a top-class trinket for retribution Paladins.

Recount tracks the friendly fire damage seperately and recount is always fairly close to my WWS dps. I think the only thing that WWS cannot track properly is the crit rate on the Seal and Judgement because the backlash cannot crit, but looks the same in the combat log; thus your crit % for JoB and SoB on WWS is always half of what it actually is.

There's no fight currently in the game, save Sarth3D, that a healer can't spare a single GCD to renew/lifeblood/rejuv us every 20~ seconds. Hell, probably not even that long. However, I do sense S/JoB recoil to sort of "spiral" out come the the middle to end of this expansion. For instance, I took 40k more damage than the MT on Loatheb this week. Ret, being as masochistic as it is, could possibly become a huge liability in future raids, because of the extremely high values of recoil we endure.

I'd like to mention Noth, Gothik, and 4HM here too. Admittedly, Gothik doesn't matter really and 4HM is on the fence, you could get unlucky w/ and drop the stack. Noth is valid though, unless you keep an add up before he teleports back down.

On Noth we hold the adds on the OT, then nuke them down with the first wave. On the other hand, we usually kill that wave fast enough that the stack would drop between first and second waves. I can't see any sensible way of maintaining the stack.

It's a bit of a "stars aligning" thing, but can the stack not also drop on Maexxna? If you get cocooned just as you're about to swing, I can see you being out of action for 10 seconds.

Just a quick question, is anyone else but me troubled about the current PTR build having 3 minute Forberance on both AW and any form of bubble? To my knowledge the blues never said anything about that.

The ptr build is likely out of date, they really didn't do much in terms of bug fixing that I've seen yet.

As for trinkets... has anyone looked at [Extract of Necromantic Power]? If it behaves as the old Timbal's trinket did it can and will proc off consecrate (as well as RV), and it has more base crit than both Mirror and Loatheb's ... the question is, is its' proc worth more than mirror's or even bandit's? The proc appears to be a 15s ICD with a 10% proc on dot ticks, and it can crit like bandit's can (based on spellcrit, 1.5x crit bonus). Skimming over a couple wws parses (http://wowwebstats.com/j5em2clyraxh3...57857&ab=60488) the trinket proc itself seems to be worth between 50 and 90 dps, a large range that would be more accurate with more data. Worth more or less than our other trinket options, thoughts?

I think you're trying to say it does but i may be misinterpreting. However, ghost hit does not effect Judgments. I tested this specifically less then a week ago on a heroic target dummy using recount and math. 1000 Judgments and it's miss rate was where it should be.

So unless I fail at math, it doesn't.

hello,

i just ran naxx10 today with my ret twink and am a bit confused about our WWS-Log.
Maybe I misunterstand something but how is it possible that only 31 % of my Judgments were critical hits if my crit chance is around 65 - 70 % on Judgements (around 40 % raidbuffed + Fanaticism + proccs etc.)?