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• frmorrison

Seal of Blood always hits you and it cannot crit. So WWS is counting both the Seal of Blood autoattacks and the self damage Seal of Blood hits into one value, so that makes it show half the actual crit rate. So if it says 31, you actually had 62% crit rate.


Edit: Too slow.

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Maerae

I've heard that the Mirror's proc shares a cd with the Darkmoon Card Greatness' so you don't get it anymore. Is that so? Cuz of it is I would definitely trade my mirror in for even Bandit's Insignia, although I guess Loatheb's Shadow is where to look now. I personally like having one of my 2 trinks be on use so I can macro it to AW...

11 hours until the Darkmoon Faire comes! lol

 

LadyFlamingo

So, I have a question. It may already have been answered, but there are 21 pages =/. Where are we suppose to get expertise at? Should I gem and enchant for it? Or is it really not that important so early on in the new expansion?

 

Kinmaul

100% false. I run with both the Mirror and the card and they can both be up at the same time.

 

Raggsokk

Let it come naturally with gear.

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HamSlammer

I'll test it when the faire appears, but I can't imagine it sharing the same ICD. If they do, there's still no reason to not ever get a Mirror considering it's about the easiest trinket as well as one of the best. You'd just replace it once you get a Greatness, which is arguably the hardest trinket to get... effort-wise anyway.

Also, I'm going to be xferring a character over to the PTR to test Darkmoon Card: Death as it's getting it's Haste changed to crit and there's rumors of it having a shorter ICD than 45 seconds.

I'll report later!

Edit: Greatness and Mirror procs do not share the same ICD. Both can be up at the same time and both can proc after the other.

 

bulletsux

I just experienced the patchwerk JoTW bug a couple of hours ago. How rare is this and has any dev looked into this issue? If this happens again to me next week, I might change judgments to see if it will help fix the problem like when it was bugged a patch ago.

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eclipse212

In the long run (means: not in this content/gear tier), you should aim for 26 Expertise which reduced the chance of being dodged by 6.5%. I wouldn´t usually gem/enchant for it; going for STR whenever you can while picking up expertise whenever gear comes with it usually yields a bigger dps increase. However, be aware that you need 8.1 (or 8.2? I´m not sure) expertise rating for 1 point of expertise and unlike any other stat, the inbetween points are wasted - for example, it makes no difference if you have 25 or 32 expertise rating - both give 3 expertise. Being close to the next point might justify picking an expertise gem/enchant over STR.

 

Jitterberry

I can also confirm this. I only did a sample of 500 Judgements on the Heroic Dummy but it came out at around ~8%. My screenshots can be found a few pages back in this thread. I can't believe you managed to sit through 1000, I barely made it to 500!!

 

Dacora

So currently the best two trinkets to get/have are Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Mirror of Truth? Or would it be more beneficial to have Darkmoon Card: Greatness and Loatheb's Shadow?

 

HamSlammer

Avitus was kind enough to do some math on it a couple of days ago... lemme just... *HEAVE*

Ah, here it is...

Enjoy!

 

MasterLoco

You should never enchant expertise and especially not gem for it. Strength is by far better then both exp or hit, even if those stats aren't capped off. Since both Exp & Str are red you should never gem exp, ever.
Retribution paladin itemisation is probably the easiest in the entire game right now. Every point of hit and expertise you get on gear is nice, but in the end all you should aim for is strength.

Oh and since the question keeps coming back regarding trinkets. Darkmoon Card + Mirror of Truth is definitely better then any other trinket combo's atm. Or well, Fury of the Five Flights might outperform Mirror but I'm still not too sure about the charge stacking and charges falling off mid fight etc. I will definitely not take it myself as long as any other physical DPS class wants one I just feel like it'll benefit them more then it would benefit me.
Also: Mirror of Truth is most likely gonna get a replacement option in Ulduar that's potentially better then FotFF.
The Darkmoon Card on the other hand... I saw someone saying it wouldn't be replaced in Ulduar. I'd actually dare to state that a retribution paladin probably won't be replacing it until the next expansion. Strength just scales so hard, the passive 90str bonus (227ish AP) is hard to top by other trinkets and if those trinkets do have a better passive bonus they'll probably have a proc that doesn't come anywhere near the 300str proc.

 

Moony

I see a lot of people not raiding yet asking about how they can get expertise, and i've seen a lot of ret paladins on my server actualy gemming and enchanting for it, before geting deep geared into naax.

There are a couple of items for those people that realy cant get their hands on better items, that have expertise:


[Jorach's Crocolisk Skin Belt]

[Hemorrhaging Circle]

[Shroud of Reverberation]


Those are not exactly optimal and there are ofc much better items on those slots in naax 10/25 but its a start for those that realy realy like expertise on early gear.

 

Derp

I just couldnt help myself. I sold my nobles deck for 15,000g, that is just too much g to pass up on an item that will be replaced in Uludar. I'll stick with my Fury/Mirror for the time being.

 

Rasputin

That's always your option of course, but I dropped about 8k for mine last month, and I wouldn't be overly sure about replacing it in Ulduar. Strength is so ridiculously good for us that I can easily see it lasting until Mystery 3.2 Raid, possibly further. Remember the Crusade card? If you don't feel it's worth the loss in gold that's up to you, but gold is much easier to obtain than long-lasting best-in-slot items, present raid "difficulty" included.

edit: In fact, take a look at this Wowhead search of all trinkets with strength: Strength trinkets. It's the only one of note in the game to date(the other two being the Philosopher's Stone and the Alchemist's Stone), and the current itemization seems to be leaning far more towards AP than str, even on enchants and non-armor items. I would be very careful about dismissing the longevity of this trinket for us.

 

lagavulin

I know this is server dependent, but what are you guys paying for your Darkmoon Card: Greatness? (for people who aren't making them themselves or having friends make them)

I've been waiting to try and pick up the cards until the prices come down. They've fallen from a few weeks ago when individual cards were ~2000g (and more) to now where the cards are on average closer to 1000g each (seen some for 800g) although people still charge more for the Ace which doesn't make any sense.

I could probably swallow 6 or 7k for the entire deck (maybe a couple k more) but I don't really want to pay more than that. My server is heavily populated.

Paying like 15k for a trinket just seems a little ridiculous. I did make my Mechano-Hog though, which was probably more ridiculous.

 

Derp

Well I will make one last comment on the subject. Next patch is going to make the cards a lot more accessible with the transmutation being made avail to convert snowfall ink. If Uludar doesn't boast any mindblowing melee trinkets, inscriptionists are going to be able to pump cards out. Keep this in mind palys.

I'd like to add one more thing. It's only a 200i, that was/is a bit disappointing.

 

Bringost

First time post, and would like to first thank you all for the info/help,
I've been sinking a steady amount of gold every week into getting the greatness trinket but to no avail, but i will persevere.


Can you tell me where you found this ? would love to verify it as i have over 200 damn Ink of the sea - would save me loads of gold/time and free up some bank space :P

 

• Kelevevick

There is a post in the official wow professions forum with screenshots of a vendor that will trade 10 Ink of the Sea for 1 Snowfall Ink.

 

lagavulin

Pretty sure it's been mentioned that ilevel doesn't apply to trinkets very fairly as there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason as to how stat points are allocated to them and how the On Use works into all of that.

Also, Darkmoon Card: Crusade is only ilevel 100. Shard of Contempt is only ilevel 115.

 

HamSlammer

Like this matters at all from a DPS standpoint. All that matters is how it's itemized.

 

J1M

I'm wondering if the Double Nobles Deck vs. Nobles + Mirror calculations done have taken into account that both the STR and AGI decks will proc the +300 STRbuff, not +300 STR/AGI. Also, you can't really take into account the full 10 second duration of mirror, as paladins have far from an infinite attack speed. Especially with a slower weapon I suspect that Double Nobles could be better especially because they are more likely to overlap for use with AW than Nobles + Mirror.

Of course none of this matters if the internal cooldown is shared or something dumb like that.

 

Merovengian

How could it not share a cooldown, the spellcast for 300str would literally be the same.

And even then, youre talking 20-30k gold spent on a trinket slot that will be hotfixed as soon as Blizz catches wind of it.

 

Hailley

I have a feeling I know the answer, but I want to hear an explanation regarding hit.

I was previously sitting at 16X hit with titansteel helm, and I just acquired the Obsidian Greathelm.

Rawr says the Obsidian Greathelm is a net dps increase but yet im sitting at 100hit rating before buffs.

Is that a smart thing to do? Should i swap out Cryptfiend's Bite for Black Ice for the hit?

As i said, I have used rawr but I want to hear people's opinion or atleast reason behind the answer.