An SoB hit should never kill you on Gluth with raid buffs. I sit close to 27k HP raid buffed, and SoB also only hits you for 10% of its damage, not 33% like JoB. For a SoB to kill me it would need to hit me for 2700, which means the hit itself would need to be 27,000, which clearly does not happen.

However, it is a good idea to hold off on JoBs around the time of Decimate, since those can and do easily kill you, needing to hit me in this example for 2700, which translates into a mere 8100, easily attainable.

I recently read somewhere on these forums that people were seeing ghosted judgements. In other words when they went to judge a mob/boss the mana would be taken (but not returned), the boss would take no dmg from the judgement, and its effect would not be refreshed. Included in the thread was a blue post saying this was being looked into, but it was pre-Wrath, shortly after 3.0 so I assumed this had been fixed as it is/was an enormous bug for ret DPS.

However, since reading that thread, I am noticing this QUITE often, and I have to wonder how much DPS I'm losing to it. I've even checked my combat log on occasion to the same ends. Not only is it a DPS reduction, but the hit we take to mana regen if/when this happens is staggering. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have any new info on it? I've checked the remnants of the pally forums, but there is no mention of it.


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Yes I have auto self cast activated. I would test it without it, but I don't have the time right now

But I guess it would reset your swing as well because you would have to target yourself, which makes you stop attacking the mob, unless you use self cast key (alt).

I haven't specced Ret since I hit 80 but in terms of dual specs I'm planning on making it my offspec. How is the PVE mana situation at 80 say in heroics or Naxx? If you spam all your abilities including Conc, Exor etc are we still going oom by the end of the fight?

AoW still resets the swing timer and Quartz swing timer is not 100% accurate.


Here is information to add on Profession Benefits:

BS: 101 AP (extra 2x20 str sockets)
JC: 86 AP (3x27 str gems vs 3x20 str gems + no need for blue gem for meta, so extra 10 str)
LW: 64 AP (Bracer enchant)
Enchanting: 64 AP (2x ring enchants)
Inscription: 64 AP (Shoulder enchant + no need to do Sons dailies for a month)
Alchemy: 64 AP (Using 180 AP Flask + 2 more hours on flasks)
Skinning: 25 Crit Rating
Herbalism: Ability to use Fire Seeds as a consumable
Tailoring has melee proc on the cloak at the expense of 22 agility

Since 20 str gems are not available yet, JC benefit is slightly stronger now (27 str vs 16 str).

Divine plea is a godsend even as prot especially in heroics. It probably cuts 10 minutes off the heroic time because you dont have to drink between trash pulls.

Got some maybe noob questions... Are the attackes Crusader strike and Divine Storm normalized ? And what speed is used for normalization ?

What if we make it a mouseover or a macro?

Then again, maybe the problem with it is just that. The fact tat although we have many shortcuts to skip the targetting of ourselves, for the sake of the spell it still has to target us anyway whether or not we are in the target screen. Thus the hostile->friendly->hostile target change interrupts said swing timer. Nvm....they worked out the kinks with shamans Maelstrom weapon so that it wouldn't interupt their swing timer so I guess that is not the case.

As far as the ghost judgements, I have had them too, in fact it seems to be happening more often recently. People report a difference (although it still happens) when you alternate judgements. It is getting frustrating though ><

A mouseover macro will not help swinging with AoW.


Normal instant casts heals, like Holy Shock on yourself, does not affect the swing timer. This is the way it has been since Classic.

Casted Heals made instant, like AoW or IoL Flash of Light or Shaman's NS + Healing Wave still affect the swing timer. Again, this has been the way since Classic.


However, in 3.0 the devs specially hard coded certain spells to not affect the swing timer, like Slam, Steady Shot, and Maelstrom nature spells.


Unless Ret PvP turns into a weak PvP spec, certain spells will have downsides, like AoW Flash and non-scaling for Ret Sacred Shield.

TY for your response, I have played for awhile but it was only towards the end of TBC that I even started to look closely into theorycraft. With the release of the expansion I have made it my mission to get as involved into it as I can.

Actually, I've been having a hard time keeping my mana up on longer fights, less so in heroics, more so in 10 and 25 mans. On a few fights, I've had to switch to SoW for 20-30 seconds just to get my mana back up to effective levels until Divine Plea or Arcane Torrent are off cooldown. This goes in addition to burning a Runic Mana Potion.

I use Seal of Blood for PvE raiding and the FCFS rotation prioritizing JoW. I also have Exorcism and Consecration thrown into the mix. I've been told that if I stop consecrating, I won't have any mana issues. However, I feel that I'm struggling to keep up on the DPS charts as it is on certain encounters where SA keeps my mana high and I can't afford to remove it from the rotation.

It could be a problem with my glyphs? I haven't touched them since 3.0 came out pre-WOTLK except to add the one at 80.