From reading the patch notes, I got the impression that the change to SoC was also just a tooltip correction (it was in the bug section).

"Seal of Command: The tooltip has been adjusted to show the damage gained from spell power."

So then we need two full sets of hotkeys for our core DPS rotation, with in some cases disastrous results if we use the wrong set? All this for a 15ish DPS increase? I can only imagine the most hardcore mix-maxers using that, and those are the sorts of ret pallies that will only be getting 0.3-0.4% DPS increase from this. I'll pass.

Having a ranged instant for pulling flyers, tapping contested mobs, and poking drinkers is all very exciting to me personally, but that doesn't have much to do with raiding.

It seems to scale, and it crits; I've had a 300 crit. It procs vengeance, which is useful building to 3 stacks, as it can sometimes take 5-10 seconds on single target.

Downtime in PvE and PvP are extremely different. You also can never get the bonus on judge, since you Judge as you are closing to your target, and then cs as the next global (warning: extreme generalization). The CS libram on the other hand is just straight front-load damage, and it seems like its much better on any target I can't sit on 100% of the time. So yeah, I regret buying it, since I don't use it (for pvp). Should have bought the ~70 res shield. The fact that it's marginally better in PvE doesn't matter (much) to me.

Just did a few tests on Patchwerk in re: suspected JotW bug.

Without walking into the slime my JotW worked as per usual.
Then getting in the slime during the same attempt caused 50% JotW fails.
On the second attempt the bug scenario couldn't be repeated. JotW worked 100% of the time.

For those of us who lack the rating for Deadly Gladiator's libram, is there a consensus on which libram is the best for PvE raid damage?

I currently use the Libram of Furious Blows, simply because it is able to buff DS, which makes up a good portion of my multi-mob damage. I could see the Venture Co libram being superior for pure single target damage, but where does the Libram of Radiance weigh in? Is it a flat +115 damage buff, or does it modify the base damage, and so scales with AP/buffs?

I tend to use the CS libram on bosses and use consecrate libram on trash. Those are the only two I have right now. Is the consecrate libram worth it for trash? Even bosses?

Cons libram is like 10 more damage on your Cons tics (since it scales with ap/sp, the scaling from sp is low). With packs of more than five mobs, it appears to be more dps than the CS/DS libram. However, since not all packs are five mobs or greater and I personally would forget to swap between trash and boss times, I just banked the item.

Do people still really use SoC in pvp? SoB does so much more damage, even before you notice the 1000s more from Judge. SoB crits for as hard as SoC hits, so the only situation where SoC ever does more burst is if you get 2 back to back crits on 2 separate globals (read: once every 15 games). You're also immune to sheep on mages without the glyph, and occasionally Blinds / Repent. The situations where the self damage is a problem you can usually switch to SoL or SoJ. I know some people enjoy having the choice between the two, but I didn't think people still used SoC more than situationally.

In PvE you can't CS every 6; there's usually at least a .5 delay from other abilities in a FCFS. PvP is even more unforgiving in terms of free globals.

Arena is down for the moment, and I'd wager it's going to be reset to last week.

Edit: Hand of Reckoning procs Anvil of Titans.

It does more damage, but there is the recoil to consider as well. Especially for arena without a healer (such as the popular Ret/DK teams), doing damage to yourself tends to be a bad idea.

Another important factor is that Judgement of Command can be forced to crit if the target is stunned, so you can control your burst with the use of repentance/hammer.

Looking around on WWS last patch most ret paladins were getting 3-5k max ticks on RV in thad, this patch its more like 12-17k something has definitely changed.

I noticed my RV ticking way higher in Naxx25 this week. Was getting 2600 ticks on non damage gimmick bosses and I never saw it that high before.